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On January 23 2008 03:30 LumberJack wrote: honestly, weight training really isnt the best way to lose weight, or a way at all. Cardio + diet, and you'll drop like a stone, the more you work out, the less fat you'll have, but the more muscle you'll build which weighs more than fat, so you will still lose some weight, but not as much if you did cardio MORE than weight. You should still do weight, imo, but not THAT much Weight loss isn't the real goal for most people who say it is. They want to look slimmer/be healthier, and cardio + diet + weight training is the best way of doing that.
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On January 23 2008 03:11 JensOfSweden wrote:
Sorry but you are clueless and wrong.
Well, my advice is based on personal experience. So not only do I have a clue, I've lived it, done it, and it worked which means, obviously, I'm right, too. If he needs to follow a rigid diet and exercise regime designed as a theory by some fitness nazis in order to motivate himself, fine, but my advice is solid and it won't exhaust him or overwhelm him.
If you can run 20 minutes 3 days a week while only eating when you're hungry, and still fail to lose weight, you're a genetic fatty and better get used to it.
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On January 23 2008 03:35 Tadzio00 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2008 03:11 JensOfSweden wrote:
Sorry but you are clueless and wrong. Well, my advice is based on personal experience. So not only do I have a clue, I've lived it, done it, and it worked which means, obviously, I'm right, too. Sorry, but personal experience doesn't mean much, especially when it comes to exercise. Everyone's body responds very differently.
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On January 23 2008 03:31 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2008 03:14 JensOfSweden wrote:On January 23 2008 00:31 Hawk wrote: Oh yeah, the other big one: make sure you eat 5-6 times a day. Not full meals, but smaller stuff. Keeps your metabolism going. You should be eating every 2.5-3 hours up until your actual dinner (or if you workout afte dinner, your post workout protein shake).
Big breakfast, small snack, big lunch, snack, snack, dinner. Yeah but that has proven to not really matter at all in the long run. It's all about how much calories you get and how much you burn, so if you eat 2000 kcal a day it doesn't matter if it's divided in 6 meals or 3. There might be a incredibly slight difference but it's not noticeable. There's a difference in how your metabolism uses those calories. Eating 6 small meals a day is much, much healthier than eating one large meal a day, even if the total nutritional value is the same. Your metabolism drops when you go into starvation mode to adjust. If you eat smaller meals, you'll never feel ravenous. It also helps to keep yourself from binging. I would not recommend running or jump rope like the other people here suggested. That's putting way too much pressure on your joints at that weight. Stick to bike, elliptical and anything low impact.
Yeah if you only eat ONE big meal a day it's not very good for metabolism. I was talking about 3 meals which is quite a difference. Then again it's also related to how anal and professional you are in your dieting, like if your preparing for a bodybuilding championship and your bulking/cutting, those guys tend to eat like 8 times a day because they are scared of loosing the tiniest tissue of muscle.
Also the many meals are because they put in protein shakes and stuff in between as snacks which makes the actual meals involving food look more than they actually are. But sure, it's not a bad idea to eat a bit less and take snacks in between your meals, and this also keeps your hunger in check.
I definately agree about the cardio thing. Don't go running when you weigh that much but instead start out with stairmaster/bike or whatever.
Also when you weight alot and are per definition overweight you can loose more weight per week (or whatever period of time) than someone more skinny. So many fat people can go down like 10 kg/month without it being harmful, the opposite rather.
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On January 23 2008 03:35 Tadzio00 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2008 03:11 JensOfSweden wrote:
Sorry but you are clueless and wrong. Well, my advice is based on personal experience. So not only do I have a clue, I've lived it, done it, and it worked which means, obviously, I'm right, too. If he needs to follow a rigid diet and exercise regime designed as a theory by some fitness nazis in order to motivate himself, fine, but my advice is solid and it won't exhaust him or overwhelm him. If you can run 20 minutes 3 days a week while only eating when you're hungry, and still fail to lose weight, you're a genetic fatty and better get used to it.
Well personal experience is only worth so much in this case.
My experience is from science reports and hanging out on pro workout forums. Also I have a huge interest in nutrition and training.
As a stupid BW analogy; it's like doing the same strat over and over and sometimes succeeding without really knowing why, you just win.
If that works for you, fine. Not for me
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The problem also is some people tend to mistake being hungry and wanting to eat.
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I think you really need to cut down on the trainings. 6days workout is way to much. Drop a legday, back/biceps and integrate the shoulders in other days, they dont need their own. Instead add on to the cardio! Ftm you need this way harder then the workouts. Try to go jogging several mornings in the week even before breakfast. Yes that means getting up early, but that's where motivation comes in to play. The difference in prebreakfast cardio is that you burn more calories there what will make it easier to reach your goal.
But the main part is the diet, search some forums on what to and what not to eat and stick to it, its the fastest way to drop that weight down. But I am sure you will succeed if you keep the motivation high!
Gl and keep us updated
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It's true that heavier people lose weight and fat much faster than their slimmer counter parts so you'll prob see some good results early on. I want to emphasize strength training because building muscles not only eats away at fat to maintain it, but keeps your metabolism running all day long. IMO it's best way to gain lean muscle mass while cutting fat. Cardio, especially steady-state cardio, definitely helps, but once you are done, that's pretty much it as far as losing calories goes. The tearing of muscle fibers and the rebuilding of it needs energy to do so, and if your diet is good, it looks to fat for that energy. I could go much more in depth about catabolic states, but I suggest you read up yourself (google) and see how it fits in.
Don't neglect cardio, it's awesome for you, but doing only cardio will in most cases just turn you into a "skinny fat" person.
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HOLY crap I tried to do that HIIT thing on one of the bike machines. I did 5 min warm-up, then did 30 second all-in, then 2 minute rest, then 30 more seconds of all-in. When I finished that last all-in, wow my legs gave out and started burning like WTF. When I got off to stretch my legs, I nearly dropped to my knees. WOW i love this workout. So wut would u suggest my cycles/intervals should be?
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