EPTThe PR claim in itself is interesting, I like roles like this I love seeing them in the game but it just does not make logical sense with what we know about the game at this point. We know that their are claimed Masons whos alignment is confirmed to one another, we have JAT as a JK. The powers just do not make a lot of sense to me.
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Damdred
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The PR claim in itself is interesting, I like roles like this I love seeing them in the game but it just does not make logical sense with what we know about the game at this point. We know that their are claimed Masons whos alignment is confirmed to one another, we have JAT as a JK. The powers just do not make a lot of sense to me. | ||
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GlowingBear
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On August 25 2014 12:09 Damdred wrote: Yes the claim stinks. If he had actual useful information then his timing of the claim would look better as of now if the claim is true all we know is that I am not the Sk. So you open yourself up for the night kill just so you can tell the thread, "Hey guys Damdred isn't the Sk but he still could be mafia". I do not see the thought process behind the claim at all or a valid reason to claim a few hours into the day cycle, since honestly the vote swing would of probably went away from Vayne. The PR claim in itself is interesting, I like roles like this I love seeing them in the game but it just does not make logical sense with what we know about the game at this point. We know that their are claimed Masons whos alignment is confirmed to one another, we have JAT as a JK. The powers just do not make a lot of sense to me. Tbh his role makes sense. Check Robik's pm. There is surely a tracker on the game. What doesn't make sense was his timing and his skill option. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Went through his entire fucking past history on TL because this apologizing bullshit is getting to me. Not going to post examples of all of this apology stuff because all you have to do is look into his filter from any of those games (or this one) to find what I'm talking about. Or look at mine bringing up examples in this game. Showdown Mafia Apologies: 5 posts out of ~40 (2 page filter) IV Titanic Mini Apologies: 4 posts out of ~ 80 (4 page filter) Notes: Can't decide whether to call posts like these apologies or not On July 26 2014 02:48 Damdred wrote: Your right I have tunneled you at this point so i'm going to disengage but will answer any questions you pose to me I might take another look at you when I am not so tunneled but can't atm I think I will. Noir Mini 2 Apologies: 6 posts out of ~30 (1.5 page filter) LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 Apologies: SO fucking many Neat and Tidy Apologies: 4-5 out of ~80 (4 pages) He's only got one scumgame so this meta-analysis may not offer me as much as I would have liked. I think the context is somewhat important here as obviously the harder Damdred is under the gun in a game (Noir mini being a good example i think) the more he feels forced to apologize for random things. (He has a small filter in that game. I suggest reading it---he basically apologizes for everything throughout). Storm Mafia 2 is another example of a game with a monstrous number of apologies, and Damdred did end up getting mislynched after being under suspicion a fair amount throughout the game. In Damdred's sole scumgame, he doesn't do a whole lot of apologizing (but then again it seems he didn't have to do a whole lot of anything in that game aside from some weird role-related stuff). (Damdred you are free to correct any factual mistakes you feel I have made---this shit was NOT easy and I could have missed stuff) What's important though in the end is the comparison to this game and where the apologies are and why. This game (I will actually link the apology-type posts): + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 23:18 Damdred wrote: Yamato is always mafia until he posts and shows he isn't. You guys are right though, my posts do look a little downplay I guess my sarcasm was not really getting across especially in the post about being scum read for not being awkward. On August 23 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: I actually do not like this post at all. You discredit what i'm saying because its rehashed? Ok, yes there was talk in the thread earlier about Xata giving rayn scum points for not posting during his usual down time but why is me asking if his opinion changed since then a rehash? In fact I learned from this line of question that his opinon had changed a bit since then so no that part wasn't a rehash. In fact a good bit in my post wasn't talked about and when are questions ever a bad thing? Maybe you are right about my analysis of JAT for why he is town currently i've only ever played one game other than this with him and watched one scum game, but for the reasons I listed he seems towny for me so i'll stand behind that. Also I have other posts than these that could look scummy or towny, this post just seems really nit picky, not sure what you are gaining or trying to learn by this post. On August 23 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote: Well then help me see it if i'm wrong about wave i'm wrong but i won't to understand why On August 23 2014 02:43 Damdred wrote: Yea I know thats why i instantly retracted....instead of remembering about the mason connection I instead jumped on the backtracking by xat. I don't think sometimes It's not the retracting that's important here, it's the apologizing for not thinking On August 23 2014 04:32 Damdred wrote: Seriously why are you lying about me Ray, nobody said the stuff about GB that I did (who cares if GB is town was still new content), I made a case about WoS slow pushing a wagon onto me without committing to it nobody had posted about that for sure. I tried to get into a discussion with Xata about his reads earlier and while the things about you sleeping were talked about before hand, I still got updated information out of Xata rather than the old rehashed read people were ripping him for. And we got to the GB stuff and talked about wave a bit. While I am covering what comes to mind, I say all of this to end with. Why are you making generalized statements that aren't true? Its truly scum motivated to get someone who is atleast commenting in the thread lynched over a lie....so i'm just confused I guess On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. On August 23 2014 08:40 Damdred wrote: Honestly though I'm probably being paranoid and dumb. But its just a weird coincidence that right when thread mentality is shifting against rayn hap shows up to blast him with a case (fitst post) I'm not sure what hapas activity level usuallt is but it is just weird. and then everyone sheeps it feels off to me On August 23 2014 09:00 Damdred wrote: Glad to see your putting in the work rayn 100% better job and sheepable but I'm in a pissy mood so I'm goibg to walk away. Also yea that post with the way the thread was going made me suspicious but I'm sure some of it is paranoia ill read your filter when i get home On August 24 2014 02:01 Damdred wrote: Theres three or four people in the thread that say that I always dissapear during important topics. Its really frustrating I really can't be here 24/7 but when i'm here I do talk about whatever is going on or things that I see are important. On August 24 2014 02:26 Damdred wrote: Yea yea yea, I backdown because you seemed more town than you did earlier in the day and I don't think you are on the table for lynch anyway. I'm ok with being wrong about someone and saying why i'm wrong but yea a lot of the stuff you posted earlier in the day was scummy to me, just the stuff you posted recently make sense and seem towny. I don't see what the problem is On August 24 2014 04:43 Damdred wrote: Yea I didn't mean for that to come off pissy I was being sarcastic/joking there last night since me and hapa talked about timing last night On August 24 2014 06:40 Damdred wrote: Yea we play day one differently I try to have converstaions and get information but I look for scummy stuff and try to comment on it, I guess I don't normally put survival as the highest asset going into day one usually. Some of Yamatos posts seem to have actual thoughts behind them and trying to do something that just doesn't seem like what i've seen in some of his scum games. I mean yes an easy vote could get scum just as easily as it could miss just because they don't fight the lynch doesn't automatically make them scum. On August 24 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote: ##Vote Xatalos This just feels like a mislynch on yamato being pushed. Xatalos feels the most scummy in the whole thread maybe he is town and i'm totally misreading him (again) but I don't like this lynch On August 24 2014 09:12 Damdred wrote: Ok I understand what you are saying now JAT. I do not think that Yamato is mafia this game, this is mainly experienced based with him so I could be dead wrong granted. Most of his posts have had some thought behind it and look more like his other town games I have been with him in rather than the game I played with him when we were mafia together. His posts there were empty and mostly taunted people, here he hasn't really taunted he has had thoughts about Rayn, wave granted he didn't give a bigger read but he did give an initial one which is more than a lot of the time he does in scum games. And a huge point in Xatas lynch of him is that he isn't fighting he just gives up and dies which he hasn't done he has been back into the thread and has made other posts even though they haven't been as constructive as I would like it still seems more like town yamato to me. Hapas post on Xata is pretty good I will admit but something just seems off about Xata this game. He is never this certain about stuff like this day one. I've said most of this before but hes slung stuff and defended people posts later, hes exaggerated things in certain posts when earlier he said the opposite and then goes back. Totally sheeped hapas case on Rayn without even questioning his abscense or the validity of the case, and for someone who was super happy to have confirmed town didn't even notice the GB part of the post until someone else pointed it out. He hoped around from target to target until he found one (yamato) that he could get traction on and push. So yea hes scummy to me On August 25 2014 00:01 Damdred wrote: Your right i do its hard for me to write how i want. from the phone but i try to make do I think I may have to continue this in another post. Conclusions on this section: Holy fuck Damdred apologizes for his play a shit fucking ton. Purely based on meta numbers alone I'd call him town but there are some confounding factors such as the size of his filter in this game as well has how hard people have been attacking him. I would actually argue that Damdred hasn't been under as much pressure in this game so far as he has when apologizing in other games, plus there is something else I'm about to bring up. TO be continued | ||
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On August 25 2014 12:32 yamato77 wrote: As for the claim, I find it rather useless. That claim is SO wrong that I'm considering town reading it because no mafia would do that LOL | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On August 25 2014 12:34 Damdred wrote: I'm reminded in Titanic when Vayne claimed the shot on Rayn even though Batsnacks did it and almost got himself lynched doing that. this is completely different, i was under 0 pressure at that point so I thought it was worth, here im simply claiming to save my life. didnt really want to cuz i wanted to use a 2nd power but no point saving it if im dead. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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I don't know the context of all the other times he was being accused (either wrongfully or rightfully) but in this game he actually gets angry at certain accusations brought against him which he has NEVER done in ANY other game thus far. There's probably a couple more decent examples as well. JAT apparently picked up on it too: On August 24 2014 04:41 justanothertownie wrote: You seem to be very pissed this game. Why this game? Why has he decided to get angry here instead of backing down completely? It could be a few things imo: 1) Rayn - He just has that effect on people to be completely honest and this one is possible for town OR scum I think 2) He is neither town NOR scum - Doubt this, Hapa fits the bill way better 3) He truly believes he is horribly misrepresented enough in this game to get mad for the FIRST time in his career on TL. 4) He is scum fighting crazy hard not to be lynched when it wasn't really necessary. I believe option #3 to be the most likely scenario as it is not only the simplest, but the one that makes the most sense. Truth be told there probably is some effect of option #1 involved with #3, but the fact remains he has been mislynched before and not fought this hard when I am SURE his actions and intentions have been misinterpreted before. When you get mislynched it is basically required for people to say untrue/unfair things about you. #4 is tempting to be honest, but he didn't come even close to fighting like this in his scumgame (it was done with claims and whatnot), and it doesn't make any sense for a scummer to try and fight that hard that early when the lynch was nowhere near him at all. As far as Damdred's content goes, there ARE some ugly things in it. The stuff I brought up earlier about him not having much original content in the early game (note: that doesn't mean NO original content), the timely entrances/exits of the thread---but if you read the second half of D1 onward he is genuinely putting effort forward as the day goes on just looks like he cares. Stuff like this where he is questioning content very well: On August 24 2014 02:43 Damdred wrote: I disagree strongly Xatalos, if I understand the context of the thread Yamato was 100% being allowed to lurk with no pressure put on him. Thats how he scums and Rayn brought attention we just didn't talk about it. It's not begging at all. Also I don't read the Oneg case the same at all I think it is lacking 100% he showed two quotes maybe three at most....from an 11 page filter? And you think thats a good case and is sheepable? I don't think Damdred is scum and at the very LEAST I would not lynch him today over VA. Especially with that godawful claim. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On August 25 2014 12:31 yamato77 wrote: Wave thinks Hapa is weird. I'm kind of inclined to agree. People sheep Hapa's cases but honestly he's not pushing them very hard himself. Town Hapa is a leader, and I'm not really getting that vibe from him this game. If Hapa and I were both town, wouldn't he be interacting more with me directly? I ask him a direct question about a player and he doesn't even quote my post. He is seemingly avoiding what I say, and, in fact, his switch off me at the deadline came after I called him 100% mafia. Very odd to say the least. lol wow. I was going to post a little while ago something like 'just waiting for yamato to come back and go full ham on me' but you surprised me. Especially since you are the only one to comment on what I said about hapa thus far. | ||
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Damdred
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But yea i'm trying to become more talkative in games while giving more opinions. But god some of those games I was terrible in I want to give you a hug for reading some of that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On August 25 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote: LOL Wave, are you really wasting your time to see if his apologies are a common trend? Hahahahaha I fuckig love you already What does this mean? Did you read what I wrote? | ||
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Damdred
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While everyone is free to interpret from the case that wave posted I am really tired of being misrepresented on TL. At first I could understand it in the previous games as I thought that my play was poor due to being new and not posting much and just trying to get a feel of how to play here so felt like I deserved it. In N&T not much if any suspicion was thrown my way but I died Night 1 (silent nights) so didn't really have much time for anything to be thrown my way. Arnie got me upset at points because people wouldn't listen or really comment on the things I posted and it really annoyed me with Xata eventually helping mafia mislynching me for reasons I still don't really understand besides me scum reading him the previous day and him not thinking about other cases on the other people still alive. I guess Rayn just sent me over the edge a bit, it was an utter disregard for everything I was posting and felt like he was not even reading the thread to a point. All he did over and over again was say I wasn't posting anything and I went along with everyone. It made me furious and just went off. So yea its probably a bit of 1&3 in my mind. | ||
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Going to have a cursory look. You were town in that one as well I assume? | ||
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I want his alignment, not his personality
