[Q] Keycraft dilemna - Page 2
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SayaSP
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
If the italian version uses W for irridate, it's ok for some guy here, but if you change your hotkey with keycraft to W, it's not. This really doesn't make any sense. It's really not an unfair advatage IMO. You could be able to change your keys like in any other game in the genre.. Now you could make an argument, something like " other games have MBS and shit, automine, etc., should I use hack to make this options avalaible? ".You missed the whole point. This is an interface thingie, not a change in gameplay. This is just customization. What if I rip off my windows keys ? Is it unfair? You know what? Will the change bother you, if I use MPQ editors and not keycraft? And for progamers, this really doesn't matter anything. They woouldn't be faster if they changed their shortcuts.. | ||
IntoTheWow
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You don't need to use keycraft to change hotkeys, you only need to change the patch_rt file (thats what kycraft does i think), so there is no real 3rd party program running in the back, you just run it once. ps: I have probe on S. | ||
azndsh
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On January 01 2008 04:55 azndsh wrote: you'll just get owned in LAN tournaments where they specify the computer... which of course isn't really a problem unless you're a progamer anyway Not really. Just in Korea. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 01 2008 04:41 freelander wrote: No, you said: Blizzard added binds in WC3 therefore they accept it in SC, but were just too lazy.it's OK for me If the italian version uses W for irridate, it's ok for some guy here, but if you change your hotkey with keycraft to W, it's not. This really doesn't make any sense. It's really not an unfair advatage IMO. You could be able to change your keys like in any other game in the genre.. Now you could make an argument, something like " other games have MBS and shit, automine, etc., should I use hack to make this options avalaible? ".You missed the whole point. This is an interface thingie, not a change in gameplay. This is just customization. What if I rip off my windows keys ? Is it unfair? You know what? Will the change bother you, if I use MPQ editors and not keycraft? And for progamers, this really doesn't matter anything. They woouldn't be faster if they changed their shortcuts.. I say: Blizzard added MBS in WC3 therefore they accept it in SC, but were just too lazy. Both arguments are equally invalid. Lots of people rip off their windows key, because Windows interfering is not part of the game. Honestly, I don't see how it's difficult for you to see why it's an advantage. Go watch the WCG videos of Tasteless explaining how he positions his hand in a ridiculous manner to be able to reach P and still 1a2a3a at the same time. For that matter, 1r2r3r would be easier than 1a2a3a. Or doing what lake suggested and rebinding Siege, Lay Mine, Irradiate, Stim Pack all to one key. Even progamers would benefit. I think some things in the game are stupid too, but I don't mess around with third party software to affect my gameplay. | ||
freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
If you play against an Italian player, who uses his regional version, he has an advantage over you (or not, but you see my point). But with this minor editing, you can make the game even. What now? Anyway, it's similiar to Counter-Strike. Lots of options can't be set from the game menu. You have to use the console, type the appropriate commands and values. All of the competitive players use these commands. And one more comment about "third party softwares": The KeyCraft is really not one of them. It doesn't run in the memory of your computer, when you are playing BroodWar. Btw I don't think Iccup could check it if you set your shortcuts or not. edit: lol wtf. I just checked the iccup ladder's rules, and it never mentions keycraft, only 3rd party programmes. I don't know why the op thinks it is forbidden. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
You're right, it's similar to Counter Strike, where custom ex_interp, and minimal texture/smoke settings are banned in competitive play. Improving your internet performance is allowed (cmdrate/updaterate), but as soon as you alter gameplay (ex_interp), you get in trouble. The players who do use unfair interp settings and then suck on LAN get ridiculed heavily for it. The only competitive games I can think of where "outside" help seems to be allowed is UT/Quake with red/blue models, but even then they're playing on special competitive Mods that usually come with those models. | ||
Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On January 01 2008 07:11 Jibba wrote: ex_interp messes with hit registration, texture/smoke settings would be like modding the mpq so that the cloak effect was really easy to see, and AOE spells were giant flat boxes. these things can't possibly be compared to keybinding which is allowed in every single competitive game that it's possible. starcraft is one of those games that where it isn't possible.The Italian player may have an advantage with Irradiate, but he's at a disadvantage with some other key. You're right, it's similar to Counter Strike, where custom ex_interp, and minimal texture/smoke settings are banned in competitive play. Improving your internet performance is allowed (cmdrate/updaterate), but as soon as you alter gameplay (ex_interp), you get in trouble. The players who do use unfair interp settings and then suck on LAN get ridiculed heavily for it. The only competitive games I can think of where "outside" help seems to be allowed is UT/Quake with red/blue models, but even then they're playing on special competitive Mods that usually come with those models. if you seriously think one of the reasons SC is such a great competitive game is awkward hotkey placement i don't really know what to tell you | ||
Jibba
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
On January 01 2008 04:47 IntoTheWow wrote: I knew ITW changed his keys. !!!!!!!ps: I have probe on S. | ||
IntoTheWow
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12345 67890 on the left of the TAB key? ITS EASY AS HELL TO 1a2a3a4a5a6a7 there? Are those keyboards banned? What if i rip my keyboard apart and take the A key and place it in my tongue? I HAVE AN EXTRA LIMB. You have 10 fingers i have 11 to use. 1a2a3a4a5a6a would be easy as hell to do then. Whata re you going to do then? cut my tongue? God. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
You can do whatever the hell you want to give yourself an advantage, but don't cry about it if you get in trouble, like the OP is crying about Iccup. I just told you why it's an advantage and the most likely reasons they're against it. | ||
ktp
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IntoTheWow
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On January 01 2008 08:18 Jibba wrote: Such impeccable logic. :r You can do whatever the hell you want to give yourself an advantage, but don't cry about it if you get in trouble, like the OP is crying about Iccup. I just told you why it's an advantage and the most likely reasons they're against it. Are you dumb? I'm only making silly analogies like you do between MBS and Key mapping. BW already has key mapping trough regional versions or even trough keyboards. We aren't talking about things built into the game. He won't get into trouble in Iccup cause there's no 3rd party program running in the background. This isn't hack-like advantage. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
And Iccup doesn't want you using Keycraft, which is what the OP is talking about. It's as simple as that. If you want to edit the txt file and they say it's ok, then by all means do so. But it DOES make the game easier for you, and if they say it's not ok, don't sit around wondering why. | ||
freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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IntoTheWow
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On January 01 2008 08:35 Jibba wrote: He said WC3 was proof that he should be able to rebind keys, I said it wasn't. MBS was just used to show that using WC3 as an argument is stupid. This is basic comparative logic. And Iccup doesn't want you using Keycraft, which is what the OP is talking about. It's as simple as that. If you want to edit the txt file and they say it's ok, then by all means do so. But it DOES make the game easier for you, and if they say it's not ok, don't sit around wondering why. So i edit the S key for a probe and i have advantage over a guy who uses this? lol | ||
IntoTheWow
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 01 2008 08:40 IntoTheWow wrote: I'd be annoyed if I lost to someone using that keyboard too. But Iccup launcher can't detect keyboards I assume it can detect Keycraft though. Even if it can't, they said it's forbidden.So i edit the S key for a probe and i have advantage over a guy who uses this? + Show Spoiler + lol | ||
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