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On August 04 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote: do you disagree with my post then kush? he hasn't said anything specific about anyone all game and when he does talk about someone he doesn't mention WHAT they say at all Probably because phone posting is the hardest shit on earth
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On August 04 2014 22:38 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Kush I don't understand, I've said that if marv allows me to get lynched he's scum because he knows how to read me and has enough thread pull to prevent such a thing. I agree with him that I haven't tried so I can't fault him for that. I don't understand your issue. Why are you making this circular argument about marv's ability to read you? Do something that looks townie and I will townread you. Right now it looks like you are trying to opt out of that, so I'm scumreading you. Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 20:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 04 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote: well what you want isn't doing it for me, you acknowledged that you'd have to actually try in order to not get lynched but then all you've done is post one liners about someone being town etc Nah, I wondered out loud if I needed to try. I'm gonna go with socializing my way to a townread again. plus other shit Your post implied that you scumread me because I "rolled over" to marv. I've said that Marv should be able to read me by the end of the day.
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On August 04 2014 22:36 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 22:29 kushm4sta wrote:On August 04 2014 21:21 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 20:57 Holyflare wrote:On August 04 2014 20:37 Holyflare wrote:Honestly though, Haru's filter is full of really really superficial stuff. "I think there's mafia in the people leading discussion" "i think this is how scum would be playing and this is how town should be playing" "poof/eden/hf came in with their words" On August 04 2014 19:35 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote: Haru, why is Poofter in that random list of 3 when he just randomly came in, spouted some random stuff, and left again? What made you feel like he's the other 2? Why did Poofter make it in that list as opposed to anyone else? The 3 of them provided content for discussion. Pooft with his random reads, gk with his attacks and hf with his reads too. They steered the discussion into a serious one and like I said, I would not flinch if any of them 3 turned scum. it just seems really surface level and not like paying attention to the words people are saying back to this please went through haru's filter, not impressed. First there's quite a lot of defending wave from meta-scumread, where his argument is very awkward. Then there's his weird scumread on hf/gk/eden, which I still don't think makes sense, why would you suggest they are acting pro-town therefore are scum? By his logic we should lynch all the most vocal towns first to catch the 'hidden mafia', oh wait, nope they were all town, mafia is laughing to the bank. So what he has said is awkward, misleading, and hasn't actually said much of note. He's on my scumreads right now, but behind Artanis. First, let me say, your handle is extremely frustrating for me. Why gobbledydook instead of gobbleydgook? What is the significance of changing the g to a d? It's kind of driving me insane. Anyway, this is the post you are calling a "scumread on hf/gk/eden": On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote: I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Do you see the logic behind his thinking, even though you might disagree with it? Why are you treating it like it's such a big deal? It's not a scumread on any of those players, but rather a comment on the game setup/mafia theory. OK, I can accept that he's just mistaken. It's pretty bad logic though, the optimum mafia play is to play super townie anyway, so how does this game being vanilla make any difference?
Are you sure you read my filter? The answer can be found there.
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in any game mafia want to look really townie. the point of the game is that it's hard and therefore they get caught.
Mafia don't set out to play like mafia, that would be pretty dumb.
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On August 04 2014 22:41 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 22:36 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 22:29 kushm4sta wrote:On August 04 2014 21:21 gobbledydook wrote:On August 04 2014 20:57 Holyflare wrote:On August 04 2014 20:37 Holyflare wrote:Honestly though, Haru's filter is full of really really superficial stuff. "I think there's mafia in the people leading discussion" "i think this is how scum would be playing and this is how town should be playing" "poof/eden/hf came in with their words" On August 04 2014 19:35 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote: Haru, why is Poofter in that random list of 3 when he just randomly came in, spouted some random stuff, and left again? What made you feel like he's the other 2? Why did Poofter make it in that list as opposed to anyone else? The 3 of them provided content for discussion. Pooft with his random reads, gk with his attacks and hf with his reads too. They steered the discussion into a serious one and like I said, I would not flinch if any of them 3 turned scum. it just seems really surface level and not like paying attention to the words people are saying back to this please went through haru's filter, not impressed. First there's quite a lot of defending wave from meta-scumread, where his argument is very awkward. Then there's his weird scumread on hf/gk/eden, which I still don't think makes sense, why would you suggest they are acting pro-town therefore are scum? By his logic we should lynch all the most vocal towns first to catch the 'hidden mafia', oh wait, nope they were all town, mafia is laughing to the bank. So what he has said is awkward, misleading, and hasn't actually said much of note. He's on my scumreads right now, but behind Artanis. First, let me say, your handle is extremely frustrating for me. Why gobbledydook instead of gobbleydgook? What is the significance of changing the g to a d? It's kind of driving me insane. Anyway, this is the post you are calling a "scumread on hf/gk/eden": On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote: I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Do you see the logic behind his thinking, even though you might disagree with it? Why are you treating it like it's such a big deal? It's not a scumread on any of those players, but rather a comment on the game setup/mafia theory. OK, I can accept that he's just mistaken. It's pretty bad logic though, the optimum mafia play is to play super townie anyway, so how does this game being vanilla make any difference? Are you sure you read my filter? The answer can be found there.
I read your filter and did not find a satisfactory answer. I think you are wrong.
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On August 04 2014 22:46 marvellosity wrote: in any game mafia want to look really townie. the point of the game is that it's hard and therefore they get caught.
Mafia don't set out to play like mafia, that would be pretty dumb.
remember liquid city
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On August 04 2014 22:47 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 22:46 marvellosity wrote: in any game mafia want to look really townie. the point of the game is that it's hard and therefore they get caught.
Mafia don't set out to play like mafia, that would be pretty dumb. remember liquid city all too well. you get my point though.
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here is what haru is saying though 1. there's no possibility of a medic, unlike most games, so scum will not be afraid to kill the best townie. That means good townies will maybe be careful about not becoming the obvious nk. They have to "hide" in a sense. 2. Town has so many possible mislynches that if scum act passively, they will just lose. People will townread all the active towns and the passive people will die off 1 by 1.
So those are the reasons I remember that haru gave why it's more likely for scum to be an active player
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that's stupid though.
any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe.
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Preliminary townread on GK. When he was scum in Showdown he made it very clear that he doesn't joke and didn't like to joke, yet he replied to one of my jokes in the start of the game. I don't think he'd change that if he were scum as he seems to be uncomfortable with the role.
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On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote: that's stupid though.
any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe.
but my point is his ideas make sense and they don't warrant a scumread. I don't see how it's relevant if you agree.
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I don't like Obi. In Storm Mafia 2 he showed a lot of self-awareness, commented a lot about things outside of the game like which account he uses, mentioned he's blending, etc, whereas in Titanic and Noir he opened a lot more aggressively, not putting any attention towards himself, his mafia play, other accounts or anything like that. Straight to business, albeit in a joking fashion in a very different flavour than he's done this game.
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Artanis, are you reads always steeped in such shallow meta?
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Do you have anything better to go of 15 hours into the game? I'm taking things I find potentially scummy and investigating if they've done it as town/scum.
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On August 04 2014 23:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't like Obi. In Storm Mafia 2 he showed a lot of self-awareness, commented a lot about things outside of the game like which account he uses, mentioned he's blending, etc, whereas in Titanic and Noir he opened a lot more aggressively, not putting any attention towards himself, his mafia play, other accounts or anything like that. Straight to business, albeit in a joking fashion in a very different flavour than he's done this game.
So if i understand you right, mafia=self awareness, talking about stuff outside the game town=aggressive, straight to business.
So why don't you like him this game?? That's the part that didn't connect t ome. What about his "favour" points scummy?
Meta counterpoint: if you look at Titanic (I think) he had a very low energy early game similar to this one.
ok im talking too much i will talk less
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On August 04 2014 23:10 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 23:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't like Obi. In Storm Mafia 2 he showed a lot of self-awareness, commented a lot about things outside of the game like which account he uses, mentioned he's blending, etc, whereas in Titanic and Noir he opened a lot more aggressively, not putting any attention towards himself, his mafia play, other accounts or anything like that. Straight to business, albeit in a joking fashion in a very different flavour than he's done this game. So if i understand you right, mafia=self awareness, talking about stuff outside the game town=aggressive, straight to business. So why don't you like him this game?? That's the part that didn't connect t ome. What about his "favour" points scummy? Meta counterpoint: if you look at Titanic (I think) he had a very low energy early game similar to this one. ok im talking too much i will talk less His 6 first posts are all related to talking about himself or things related to himself outside of the game, things I didn't find him doing in his last two towngames, but sound similar to the scumgame I mentioned, leading me to believe it's a scum trait. It wasn't like that in Titanic.
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He made the one post:
On August 04 2014 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Fuck I got town again. and the 5 next posts are him responding to people talking to him about that post. All those posts were in quick succession. He went afk and when he got back his posts were straight to business.
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On August 04 2014 13:25 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2014 13:08 goodkarma wrote:On August 04 2014 13:01 HaruRH wrote:On August 04 2014 12:58 goodkarma wrote:On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote: I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Last I checked this is the normalest of normal games. Why would scum have to play anything other than "standard?" Idk, if I was scum I would definitely sit back and think of how to play this game. So I would wanna check how these people who never posted yet on how they open up. Too stiff = skummer. So has anyone in the thread met this criterion of yours yet? Didn't you say Wave was stiff??? On August 04 2014 12:39 HaruRH wrote: I would say that in this game where scum potentially need 4+ mislynches to win the game, the only logical way is to act super townie and try to surf into later days off mislynches.
I'm willing to put my head on the table that there's a scum amongst hf/pooft/gk who are trying so hard to gain free towncreds ™ issued only by the harumint co. Assuming you weren't just pulling names out of a hat, is there a particular reason for listing these three? You got a OMGUS they're attacking me therefore they're scum kinda thing going, or is there more to it than that? Care to elaborate? Note: I have literally 0 experience with purely normal games, so I don't know what to expect other than scum playing out of their minds. Which is what I'll focus on d1. Yes, that is why I brought out the stiff post argument. I want to see if this trend continues since it matches up with the 'scum playing out of their mind' read I have. Finding and noting the top towns currently also helps me formulate how scum could possibly act. It's better (in my opinion) to hide as top towns, so I won't be surprised if any of these 3 who are leading discussion/looking towny now would be scum.
Hmmm gobble An answer you're not satisfied with =/= no answer. I have never played a game requiring 4+ (this is alot for me) mislynches for scum to win. Therefore, I'll shift my focus to see if its possible that there is scum amongst the 3 people I have noticed. If everyone (like you) is townreading them, they're potentially going to go far. Its highly likely for scum to hide with them and ascend to later games off initial townreads.
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On August 04 2014 22:55 marvellosity wrote: that's stupid though.
any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe.
Yea, and thus all good townies will die in early days while scum celebrate the shitup of the thread.
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On August 04 2014 23:20 kushm4sta wrote:He made the one post: and the 5 next posts are him responding to people talking to him about that post. All those posts were in quick succession. He went afk and when he got back his posts were straight to business. Fair point. It still gives me scummy vibes though in that he started about it to begin with, and had no problem keeping the discussion focused on himself.
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