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On July 05 2014 03:58 disodi wrote: Regardless if this is true, Europe definitely needs to look another direction cause the US has proven to be quite the unreliable ally the past decade...
usa shitting on us, we have soo many importent trades with russia, and still media wanna make us think here that usa is good and russia is evil ... strange world
On July 05 2014 04:53 EarthwormJim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 04:43 Skilledblob wrote: it's not about the fact that spying takes place. It's about who spies on whom and why. Germany and many other EU nations are supposed to be allies of the US government and this is not how you treat your friends. I'm really glad you pointed this out, and I hope the rest of this thread keeps this in mind before posting. This isn't about MERUCA spying. This is about breaking alliance. We all gossip at work and play, but when you get caught doing it about your friend, it sucks ass, and looks really bad, so better not to gossip at all. July 4th, interesting day this get uncovered. #Conspiracy
well it was kinda expected cause the usa say always NO to a "no spy agreement" so they not even wanna promise to not spy us again ... no one need such allies ...
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Yeah, I mean, spying is just part of international relations. It's a pretty important part, really.
It always seems kind of silly to me when a spy gets caught and everyone buys a large ham with a side of outrage, as if they themselves don't have espionage efforts going at that very moment.
If people catch one, sure, they should lock him up and take the opportunity to embarass the guys who bought him. It's when they pretend they're above the game that it starts to look a bit weird.
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So was he spying for the US, or spying and then offering up info to parties that might be interested? Conflicting reports, he was favoring selling the info to Russia, but because the info was US sensitive, he decided to sell it to US instead.
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On July 05 2014 05:06 Grettin wrote: Whats the possible sentence this guy can get?
to be fair i think its a pussy court ... but NORMALY thats "high treason" which means "not below 10 years" so like 1/100th of what someone would get for that in the usa
its kinda disapointing but in my friends and family (students midclass) etc america ranked next to saudi arabia and ... damn there isnt even a third country rated so low ... i dont really hate the usa (even alot people i know do) but i really dislike them, and always when i think "ok its getting better now" ... stuff like this happens and the only reaction from america to that seems ignorance and all this totaly wrong understanding of the world like "you can kill people as long as they are not american" with your drones and stuff ... imagine kuba kills americans who threaten kuba with drones in new york lol ... damn merica keep your stuff together otherwise saudi arabia cant hold numbero 1 and usa gets the most hated country for themself
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On July 05 2014 07:16 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 04:43 Skilledblob wrote: it's not about the fact that spying takes place. It's about who spies on whom and why. Germany and many other EU nations are supposed to be allies of the US government and this is not how you treat your friends. If Germany is America's friend, then they have nothing to hide. It shouldn't matter whether USA is checking up on Germany or not. Just like how I don't mind NSA spying on me because I'm not a terrorist.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. #Benjamin_Franklin
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On July 05 2014 07:44 nkr wrote: I think it's in everyone's best interest to keep an eye of the Wehrmacht!
On a serious note though, I would imagine everyone's spying on everyone. Well, no ones spying on Sweden cause we're insignificant, but it holds true for all other countries.
Are you saying that other countries are not interested into your military techonology? You do develop a lot of high-tech war machines and equipment.
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We all here know it's normal, but I think bin Laden would be smiling on the bottom of the ocean if he could see this.
The question is, should countries that are supposed to be friends trust or distrust each other in general? Some exceptions are always possible and can be tolerated, but what's currently going on seems to be much more.
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On July 05 2014 08:10 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 07:16 T.O.P. wrote:On July 05 2014 04:43 Skilledblob wrote: it's not about the fact that spying takes place. It's about who spies on whom and why. Germany and many other EU nations are supposed to be allies of the US government and this is not how you treat your friends. If Germany is America's friend, then they have nothing to hide. It shouldn't matter whether USA is checking up on Germany or not. Just like how I don't mind NSA spying on me because I'm not a terrorist. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.#Benjamin_Franklin
Says who? Benjamin Franklin? Most people think that quote is absolute bullshit, as well as Benjamin Franklin being full of shit. Taking it as a fact is silly, it's nothing more than an opinion from not some guy that I'd argue isn't very educated from hundreds of years ago.
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U.S. doesn’t have ‘no-spy agreement’ with foreign countries, Obama says “There’s no country where we have a no-spy agreement,” Obama said. “We have an intelligence capability and then we have a range of partnerships with all kinds of countries"
what more to say to this ...
but wait there is:
Obama also said isn’t choosing favorites in hosting a state visit for France and not for another close ally, the U.K. “I have two daughters and they are both gorgeous and wonderful, and I would never choose between them. And that’s how I feel about my outstanding European partners,”
ok now i get it, we are daughters of america in europe and all america does is making spyware on our mobiles to track our movement so we are save ... oh now i get it ...
this words makes me wanna punch him right in his st**id face (sry for the harsh language but i am so pissed reading this ignorance)
On July 05 2014 08:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 08:10 Drake wrote:On July 05 2014 07:16 T.O.P. wrote:On July 05 2014 04:43 Skilledblob wrote: it's not about the fact that spying takes place. It's about who spies on whom and why. Germany and many other EU nations are supposed to be allies of the US government and this is not how you treat your friends. If Germany is America's friend, then they have nothing to hide. It shouldn't matter whether USA is checking up on Germany or not. Just like how I don't mind NSA spying on me because I'm not a terrorist. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.#Benjamin_Franklin Says who? Benjamin Franklin? Most people think that quote is absolute bullshit, as well as Benjamin Franklin being full of shit. Taking it as a fact is silly, it's nothing more than an opinion from not some guy that I'd argue isn't very educated from hundreds of years ago.
no savety is worth loosing your freedom. the patriot act is kind of worse then thousends of dead
On July 05 2014 07:59 seiferoth10 wrote: So was he spying for the US, or spying and then offering up info to parties that might be interested? Conflicting reports, he was favoring selling the info to Russia, but because the info was US sensitive, he decided to sell it to US instead.
when you buy the questions for your examen your out of the college! if you then say "wait someone asked me if i wanna buy them or they sell it someone else" i wont make it a BIT better
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On July 05 2014 08:16 Drake wrote: U.S. doesn’t have ‘no-spy agreement’ with foreign countries, Obama says “There’s no country where we have a no-spy agreement,” Obama said. “We have an intelligence capability and then we have a range of partnerships with all kinds of countries"
what more to say to this ...
but wait there is:
Obama also said isn’t choosing favorites in hosting a state visit for France and not for another close ally, the U.K. “I have two daughters and they are both gorgeous and wonderful, and I would never choose between them. And that’s how I feel about my outstanding European partners,”
ok now i get it, we are daughters of america in europe and all america does is making spyware on our mobiles to track our movement so we are save ... oh now i get it ...
this words makes me wanna punch him right in his st**id face (sry for the harsh language but i am so pissed reading this ignorance)
So you're mad Obama doesn't have a favorite European ally? I don't get what you're so pissed at. He's not saying Europe is his children, he's saying he doesn't have favorites. Everyone spies, get over it. This particular one just sucked and got caught.
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On July 05 2014 08:17 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 08:16 Drake wrote: U.S. doesn’t have ‘no-spy agreement’ with foreign countries, Obama says “There’s no country where we have a no-spy agreement,” Obama said. “We have an intelligence capability and then we have a range of partnerships with all kinds of countries"
what more to say to this ...
but wait there is:
Obama also said isn’t choosing favorites in hosting a state visit for France and not for another close ally, the U.K. “I have two daughters and they are both gorgeous and wonderful, and I would never choose between them. And that’s how I feel about my outstanding European partners,”
ok now i get it, we are daughters of america in europe and all america does is making spyware on our mobiles to track our movement so we are save ... oh now i get it ...
this words makes me wanna punch him right in his st**id face (sry for the harsh language but i am so pissed reading this ignorance) So you're mad Obama doesn't have a favorite European ally? I don't get what you're so pissed at. Everyone spies, get over it. This particular one just sucked and got caught.
no i am mad cause he act like we children and he is the father with the knowledge who can protect all ... and ofc children 2nd class cause well were not american so who gave a shit rly about us ...
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We practically lead Germany so this is weird. I guess we're spying to make sure they're still playing ball with us lol especially in light of our European underlings reluctant to take any action against Russia despite our pandering. Our domination and influence are waning anywhere we've had it, so I guess we gotta do what we gotta do to see it's okay where we still have it. hehehe
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On July 05 2014 08:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 08:10 Drake wrote:On July 05 2014 07:16 T.O.P. wrote:On July 05 2014 04:43 Skilledblob wrote: it's not about the fact that spying takes place. It's about who spies on whom and why. Germany and many other EU nations are supposed to be allies of the US government and this is not how you treat your friends. If Germany is America's friend, then they have nothing to hide. It shouldn't matter whether USA is checking up on Germany or not. Just like how I don't mind NSA spying on me because I'm not a terrorist. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.#Benjamin_Franklin Says who? Benjamin Franklin? Most people think that quote is absolute bullshit, as well as Benjamin Franklin being full of shit. Taking it as a fact is silly, it's nothing more than an opinion from not some guy that I'd argue isn't very educated from hundreds of years ago.
What, the idea that individuals who willingly trade away their freedoms for the illusion of safety deserve neither? That's been echoed in philosophical literature all over the world for thousands of years.
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On July 05 2014 08:19 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 08:17 Zooper31 wrote:On July 05 2014 08:16 Drake wrote: U.S. doesn’t have ‘no-spy agreement’ with foreign countries, Obama says “There’s no country where we have a no-spy agreement,” Obama said. “We have an intelligence capability and then we have a range of partnerships with all kinds of countries"
what more to say to this ...
but wait there is:
Obama also said isn’t choosing favorites in hosting a state visit for France and not for another close ally, the U.K. “I have two daughters and they are both gorgeous and wonderful, and I would never choose between them. And that’s how I feel about my outstanding European partners,”
ok now i get it, we are daughters of america in europe and all america does is making spyware on our mobiles to track our movement so we are save ... oh now i get it ...
this words makes me wanna punch him right in his st**id face (sry for the harsh language but i am so pissed reading this ignorance) So you're mad Obama doesn't have a favorite European ally? I don't get what you're so pissed at. Everyone spies, get over it. This particular one just sucked and got caught. no i am mad cause he act like we children and he is the father with the knowledge who can protect all ... and ofc children 2nd class cause well were not american so who gave a shit rly about us ...
Obama is more akin to a Roman consul, keeping the socii Latini in line for the common good.
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On July 05 2014 08:31 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 08:19 Drake wrote:On July 05 2014 08:17 Zooper31 wrote:On July 05 2014 08:16 Drake wrote: U.S. doesn’t have ‘no-spy agreement’ with foreign countries, Obama says “There’s no country where we have a no-spy agreement,” Obama said. “We have an intelligence capability and then we have a range of partnerships with all kinds of countries"
what more to say to this ...
but wait there is:
Obama also said isn’t choosing favorites in hosting a state visit for France and not for another close ally, the U.K. “I have two daughters and they are both gorgeous and wonderful, and I would never choose between them. And that’s how I feel about my outstanding European partners,”
ok now i get it, we are daughters of america in europe and all america does is making spyware on our mobiles to track our movement so we are save ... oh now i get it ...
this words makes me wanna punch him right in his st**id face (sry for the harsh language but i am so pissed reading this ignorance) So you're mad Obama doesn't have a favorite European ally? I don't get what you're so pissed at. Everyone spies, get over it. This particular one just sucked and got caught. no i am mad cause he act like we children and he is the father with the knowledge who can protect all ... and ofc children 2nd class cause well were not american so who gave a shit rly about us ... Obama is more akin to a Roman consul, keeping the socii Latini in line for the common good.
Ahh, yes, a striking parallel between Roman and American imperialism. Though to be quite honest, we're most like the Assyrians. The US is a hegemonic empire, not a territorial one.
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On July 05 2014 07:56 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 05:52 oneofthem wrote:On July 05 2014 05:44 hypercube wrote:On July 05 2014 05:41 oneofthem wrote:US and europe share core interests and values.
LOL no uh yes. some of these posts just show a total lack of awareness for how the rest of the world actually is. newsflash, pretty much everywhere else is much worse This thread is not about that. This thread is about the fact that outside of her borders "America" is murderous paranoid maniac who, without exaggeration, has made a habit of murdering people, including Europeans, for political gain. The American people are OK with things like drone bombings and the Iraq war and kidnappings of Afghani shepherds in the name of "greater safety" in a way that Europeans simply are not. In this sense the US IS worse. Russia has committed atrocities in Chechnya arguable worse than what the US has done in Afghanistan or Iraq but Russia does not have the political power to drag us along with it. China might be hard on her own citizens in the northwest but she certainly is not killing Europeans over it. Just FYI, if Russia had killed everyone in Chechnya, there would still be less victims than in Iraq only...
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On July 05 2014 08:35 Saumure wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 07:56 KlaCkoN wrote:On July 05 2014 05:52 oneofthem wrote:On July 05 2014 05:44 hypercube wrote:On July 05 2014 05:41 oneofthem wrote:US and europe share core interests and values.
LOL no uh yes. some of these posts just show a total lack of awareness for how the rest of the world actually is. newsflash, pretty much everywhere else is much worse This thread is not about that. This thread is about the fact that outside of her borders "America" is murderous paranoid maniac who, without exaggeration, has made a habit of murdering people, including Europeans, for political gain. The American people are OK with things like drone bombings and the Iraq war and kidnappings of Afghani shepherds in the name of "greater safety" in a way that Europeans simply are not. In this sense the US IS worse. Russia has committed atrocities in Chechnya arguable worse than what the US has done in Afghanistan or Iraq but Russia does not have the political power to drag us along with it. China might be hard on her own citizens in the northwest but she certainly is not killing Europeans over it. Just FYI, if Russia had killed everyone in Chechnya, there would still be less victims than in Iraq only...
Well, that's not something that's going to happen in the foreseeable future. Also, Chechnya has 1.3 million people, so you'd have to talk about the embargo/genocide + Gulf and Iraq Wars for your statement to actually be true. If estimates are reliable, we'd be somewhere above 2 million with all of this, but the Iraq War alone is not sufficient.
What Russia did do is turn Grozny into a beautiful city and decent economic place following the Chechen Wars. This is opposed to turning a stable, secular actually developing Mideastern country (today nonexistent outside of Lebanon, I know) into something out of Deus Ex.
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On July 05 2014 08:35 Saumure wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 07:56 KlaCkoN wrote:On July 05 2014 05:52 oneofthem wrote:On July 05 2014 05:44 hypercube wrote:On July 05 2014 05:41 oneofthem wrote:US and europe share core interests and values.
LOL no uh yes. some of these posts just show a total lack of awareness for how the rest of the world actually is. newsflash, pretty much everywhere else is much worse This thread is not about that. This thread is about the fact that outside of her borders "America" is murderous paranoid maniac who, without exaggeration, has made a habit of murdering people, including Europeans, for political gain. The American people are OK with things like drone bombings and the Iraq war and kidnappings of Afghani shepherds in the name of "greater safety" in a way that Europeans simply are not. In this sense the US IS worse. Russia has committed atrocities in Chechnya arguable worse than what the US has done in Afghanistan or Iraq but Russia does not have the political power to drag us along with it. China might be hard on her own citizens in the northwest but she certainly is not killing Europeans over it. Just FYI, if Russia had killed everyone in Chechnya, there would still be less victims than in Iraq only...
Well let's not exaggerate, there are more than 1 million people living in what is qualified as the Chechnya region, and casualties from the First and Second Chechen War easily rival those of the Gulf War and Iraq War.
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Nations spy on each other all the time. Not one nation isn't guilty of it.
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On July 05 2014 08:31 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2014 08:12 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 05 2014 08:10 Drake wrote:On July 05 2014 07:16 T.O.P. wrote:On July 05 2014 04:43 Skilledblob wrote: it's not about the fact that spying takes place. It's about who spies on whom and why. Germany and many other EU nations are supposed to be allies of the US government and this is not how you treat your friends. If Germany is America's friend, then they have nothing to hide. It shouldn't matter whether USA is checking up on Germany or not. Just like how I don't mind NSA spying on me because I'm not a terrorist. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.#Benjamin_Franklin Says who? Benjamin Franklin? Most people think that quote is absolute bullshit, as well as Benjamin Franklin being full of shit. Taking it as a fact is silly, it's nothing more than an opinion from not some guy that I'd argue isn't very educated from hundreds of years ago. What, the idea that individuals who willingly trade away their freedoms for the illusion of safety deserve neither? That's been echoed in philosophical literature all over the world for thousands of years. in the liberal tradition but never elsewhere. existence of most regimes including those of modern china and russia is direct proof of the opposite.
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