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On April 18 2014 02:50 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 02:21 Crot4le wrote: So gutted. That was well fought Impact, so close in the end.
That said, no matter the performance it's the results that matter and I worry for Axiom in qualifying for the play-offs this season. With EG and yoe Flash Wolves it's a tougher league this season.
Myself as well. Starting off from a 0-2 deficit is really tough, especially if only two teams will make it to the offline finals. Also, does anyone know how the playoffs work? It says top two teams will advance to offline, but will the double-elimination playoffs still happen like last season, but only played online?
Well the green is in the top four spots so I assume four qualify for the play-offs. Maybe after that it is a system like the SC2L where there was an offline play-off followed by a live Grand Final at Dreamhack Bucharest.
Talking about playoffs, have Axiom ever not qualified for the play-offs? In the GSTL they finished 2nd and 1st. In ATC they finished 2nd and 3rd. And in the StarCraft 2 League they finished 3rd.
Would be a shame to lose this record.
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Damn super close match, crank, heart, ryung need to step it up. I have faith though
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On April 18 2014 03:03 RaiderRyan wrote: Damn super close match, crank, heart, ryung need to step it up. I have faith though
CranK didn't play today but I do get where you're coming from. It's shame to see Ryung's slump continuing lately. I hope he can turn it around with the WCS AM wildcard qualifier coming up.
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On April 18 2014 03:00 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 02:50 Bagration wrote:On April 18 2014 02:21 Crot4le wrote: So gutted. That was well fought Impact, so close in the end.
That said, no matter the performance it's the results that matter and I worry for Axiom in qualifying for the play-offs this season. With EG and yoe Flash Wolves it's a tougher league this season.
Myself as well. Starting off from a 0-2 deficit is really tough, especially if only two teams will make it to the offline finals. Also, does anyone know how the playoffs work? It says top two teams will advance to offline, but will the double-elimination playoffs still happen like last season, but only played online? Well the green is in the top four spots so I assume four qualify for the play-offs. Maybe after that it is a system like the SC2L where there was an offline play-off followed by a live Grand Final at Dreamhack Bucharest. Talking about playoffs, have Axiom ever not qualified for the play-offs? In the GSTL they finished 2nd and 1st. In ATC they finished 2nd and 3rd. And in the StarCraft 2 League they finished 3rd. Would be a shame to lose this record.
Yeah, it would be a tough elimination for them. Axiom usually over-performs in teamleagues, so it is a bit sad that they've had a rocky start. They got another match on the 21st, hopefully they can rally against the Yoe Flash Wolves
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On April 18 2014 03:05 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 03:03 RaiderRyan wrote: Damn super close match, crank, heart, ryung need to step it up. I have faith though CranK didn't play today but I do get where you're coming from. It's shame to see Ryung's slump continuing lately. I hope he can turn it around with the WCS AM wildcard qualifier coming up.
Actually Ryung was totally prepared for that fight and basically lost due to severe lag spikes that messed up his control completely. He had what he needed to defend it. That is the nature of online competition though and not something you can complain about. Everyone is well aware of the risk of lag problems going into an online cup.
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On April 18 2014 03:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 03:05 Crot4le wrote:On April 18 2014 03:03 RaiderRyan wrote: Damn super close match, crank, heart, ryung need to step it up. I have faith though CranK didn't play today but I do get where you're coming from. It's shame to see Ryung's slump continuing lately. I hope he can turn it around with the WCS AM wildcard qualifier coming up. Actually Ryung was totally prepared for that fight and basically lost due to severe lag spikes that messed up his control completely. He had what he needed to defend it. That is the nature of online competition though and not something you can complain about. Everyone is well aware of the risk of lag problems going into an online cup.
That makes sense. I heard last year that the players on iG had really bad lag which contributed to players who you can normally rely on to put on a good show such as Jim and Macsed looking off their best.
But Ryung has had a few disappointments lately, not qualifiying for Code S was a blow because I know he could hold his own in GSL. He has done in the past and he can do it again. He's such a beast.
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On April 18 2014 03:06 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 03:00 Crot4le wrote:On April 18 2014 02:50 Bagration wrote:On April 18 2014 02:21 Crot4le wrote: So gutted. That was well fought Impact, so close in the end.
That said, no matter the performance it's the results that matter and I worry for Axiom in qualifying for the play-offs this season. With EG and yoe Flash Wolves it's a tougher league this season.
Myself as well. Starting off from a 0-2 deficit is really tough, especially if only two teams will make it to the offline finals. Also, does anyone know how the playoffs work? It says top two teams will advance to offline, but will the double-elimination playoffs still happen like last season, but only played online? Well the green is in the top four spots so I assume four qualify for the play-offs. Maybe after that it is a system like the SC2L where there was an offline play-off followed by a live Grand Final at Dreamhack Bucharest. Talking about playoffs, have Axiom ever not qualified for the play-offs? In the GSTL they finished 2nd and 1st. In ATC they finished 2nd and 3rd. And in the StarCraft 2 League they finished 3rd. Would be a shame to lose this record. Yeah, it would be a tough elimination for them. Axiom usually over-performs in teamleagues, so it is a bit sad that they've had a rocky start. They got another match on the 21st, hopefully they can rally against the Yoe Flash Wolves
The problem with the ATC is that it's got the revive all-kill format which favours those star players over roster depth. This is what scares me about yoe Flash Wolves: San. Twice.
For ATC Season 4, I would actually prefer to see a Proleague format. It worked well for the StarCraft 2 League, but it's Take's tournament so he can do as he wishes. It's still a great team league anyway.
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On April 18 2014 03:15 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 03:06 Bagration wrote:On April 18 2014 03:00 Crot4le wrote:On April 18 2014 02:50 Bagration wrote:On April 18 2014 02:21 Crot4le wrote: So gutted. That was well fought Impact, so close in the end.
That said, no matter the performance it's the results that matter and I worry for Axiom in qualifying for the play-offs this season. With EG and yoe Flash Wolves it's a tougher league this season.
Myself as well. Starting off from a 0-2 deficit is really tough, especially if only two teams will make it to the offline finals. Also, does anyone know how the playoffs work? It says top two teams will advance to offline, but will the double-elimination playoffs still happen like last season, but only played online? Well the green is in the top four spots so I assume four qualify for the play-offs. Maybe after that it is a system like the SC2L where there was an offline play-off followed by a live Grand Final at Dreamhack Bucharest. Talking about playoffs, have Axiom ever not qualified for the play-offs? In the GSTL they finished 2nd and 1st. In ATC they finished 2nd and 3rd. And in the StarCraft 2 League they finished 3rd. Would be a shame to lose this record. Yeah, it would be a tough elimination for them. Axiom usually over-performs in teamleagues, so it is a bit sad that they've had a rocky start. They got another match on the 21st, hopefully they can rally against the Yoe Flash Wolves The problem with the ATC is that it's got the revive all-kill format which favours those star players over roster depth. This is what scares me about yoe Flash Wolves: San. Twice. For ATC Season 4, I would actually prefer to see a Proleague format. It worked well for the StarCraft 2 League, but it's Take's tournament so he can do as he wishes. It's still a great team league anyway.
Proleague format is clearly superior, though ATC BO9 helps. BO7 with revive just rewards teams that go allin on star players and neglect the rest of their roster. Teamleagues should be about overall team depth, not star players + backing band.
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I think the majority of viewers (and players) agree that Proleague format is vastly superior. It requires more effort from the admins to schedule matches with that format though, which is why I guess most don't use it.
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On April 18 2014 03:40 nkr wrote: I think the majority of viewers (and players) agree that Proleague format is vastly superior. It requires more effort from the admins to schedule matches with that format though, which is why I guess most don't use it.
Which is a real shame really.
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On April 18 2014 03:53 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 03:40 nkr wrote: I think the majority of viewers (and players) agree that Proleague format is vastly superior. It requires more effort from the admins to schedule matches with that format though, which is why I guess most don't use it. Which is a real shame really.
Yeah, given a choice between Proleague and All-kill format, every time I'll watch the PL format. It's so much more fun.
Also, I could watch Impact vs. Jjakji play against each other all day. Those were amazing games.
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Does anyone want the preview for this match? It is written, I just wasn't near my computer between the LR thread going up and the games being played.
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On April 18 2014 03:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 03:05 Crot4le wrote:On April 18 2014 03:03 RaiderRyan wrote: Damn super close match, crank, heart, ryung need to step it up. I have faith though CranK didn't play today but I do get where you're coming from. It's shame to see Ryung's slump continuing lately. I hope he can turn it around with the WCS AM wildcard qualifier coming up. Actually Ryung was totally prepared for that fight and basically lost due to severe lag spikes that messed up his control completely. He had what he needed to defend it. That is the nature of online competition though and not something you can complain about. Everyone is well aware of the risk of lag problems going into an online cup.
ahhh damn that really sucks. Hate seeing him lose as he's been one of my top 2-3 favorites since well before "imba imba imba" :D. good luck next week, 0-2 isn't that huge of a hole to dig out of with a stacked team.
I also vastly prefer proleague format to the current atc. Its not exactly a "team" competition when a team has one superstar and a bunch of randoms who are there to drop maps, and the super star gets 3-5 kills each week.
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On April 18 2014 08:43 RaiderRyan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 03:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 18 2014 03:05 Crot4le wrote:On April 18 2014 03:03 RaiderRyan wrote: Damn super close match, crank, heart, ryung need to step it up. I have faith though CranK didn't play today but I do get where you're coming from. It's shame to see Ryung's slump continuing lately. I hope he can turn it around with the WCS AM wildcard qualifier coming up. Actually Ryung was totally prepared for that fight and basically lost due to severe lag spikes that messed up his control completely. He had what he needed to defend it. That is the nature of online competition though and not something you can complain about. Everyone is well aware of the risk of lag problems going into an online cup. ahhh damn that really sucks. Hate seeing him lose as he's been one of my top 2-3 favorites since well before "imba imba imba" :D. good luck next week, 0-2 isn't that huge of a hole to dig out of with a stacked team. I also vastly prefer proleague format to the current atc. Its not exactly a "team" competition when a team has one superstar and a bunch of randoms who are there to drop maps, and the super star gets 3-5 kills each week.
I'd tend to agree.
However, standard proleague format is difficult. Even BO7 is hard, let alone BO9. A lot of teams don't have the roster for it. Even Axiom couldn't do BO7 standard proleague format, we're one man short and even if we had 6 we'd need our entire team available every single play date, which would be very difficult. Plenty of other teams suffer similar issues.
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On April 18 2014 03:40 nkr wrote: I think the majority of viewers (and players) agree that Proleague format is vastly superior. It requires more effort from the admins to schedule matches with that format though, which is why I guess most don't use it.
I personally disagree and enjoy the all kill format. There something special about the momentum and excitement that a player can get, and it really helps determine who the best players truly are.
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On April 18 2014 09:13 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 03:40 nkr wrote: I think the majority of viewers (and players) agree that Proleague format is vastly superior. It requires more effort from the admins to schedule matches with that format though, which is why I guess most don't use it. I personally disagree and enjoy the all kill format. There something special about the momentum and excitement that a player can get, and it really helps determine who the best players truly are.
That's not what a team league is for though. Individual leagues are to determine the best player. Team leagues are to determine the best team.
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On April 18 2014 09:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:13 Bagration wrote:On April 18 2014 03:40 nkr wrote: I think the majority of viewers (and players) agree that Proleague format is vastly superior. It requires more effort from the admins to schedule matches with that format though, which is why I guess most don't use it. I personally disagree and enjoy the all kill format. There something special about the momentum and excitement that a player can get, and it really helps determine who the best players truly are. That's not what a team league is for though. Individual leagues are to determine the best player. Team leagues are to determine the best team. Agreed. Sucks that not all rosters are deep enough to fill out a bo7 Proleague format. If Axiom could reliably field a 6 man roster, they could really shine. Very few, if any, teams have strength across the board like your team
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On April 18 2014 09:29 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 18 2014 09:13 Bagration wrote:On April 18 2014 03:40 nkr wrote: I think the majority of viewers (and players) agree that Proleague format is vastly superior. It requires more effort from the admins to schedule matches with that format though, which is why I guess most don't use it. I personally disagree and enjoy the all kill format. There something special about the momentum and excitement that a player can get, and it really helps determine who the best players truly are. That's not what a team league is for though. Individual leagues are to determine the best player. Team leagues are to determine the best team. Agreed. Sucks that not all rosters are deep enough to fill out a bo7 Proleague format. If Axiom could reliably field a 6 man roster, they could really shine. Very few, if any, teams have strength across the board like your team
We could get one more zerg but in the current SC2 environment there's no point. I'm better off spending money on a zerg coach for Impact to polish off the rough spots, I think he could go all the way if given the right guidance, he has the talent and the drive for it.
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On April 18 2014 09:31 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 09:29 Yorkie wrote:On April 18 2014 09:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 18 2014 09:13 Bagration wrote:On April 18 2014 03:40 nkr wrote: I think the majority of viewers (and players) agree that Proleague format is vastly superior. It requires more effort from the admins to schedule matches with that format though, which is why I guess most don't use it. I personally disagree and enjoy the all kill format. There something special about the momentum and excitement that a player can get, and it really helps determine who the best players truly are. That's not what a team league is for though. Individual leagues are to determine the best player. Team leagues are to determine the best team. Agreed. Sucks that not all rosters are deep enough to fill out a bo7 Proleague format. If Axiom could reliably field a 6 man roster, they could really shine. Very few, if any, teams have strength across the board like your team We could get one more zerg but in the current SC2 environment there's no point. I'm better off spending money on a zerg coach for Impact to polish off the rough spots, I think he could go all the way if given the right guidance, he has the talent and the drive for it. I'll say this for the final time for real this time, in a spoiler so you don't actually have to read it
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But yeah Impact is on a huge upswing and could do incredible things this year. Making Code A, the GSL Global Championship, and raking in wins here I mean jesus this guy is good
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