And their policies encourage it. And the example set by the leadership encourages it.
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JonnyBNoHo
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And their policies encourage it. And the example set by the leadership encourages it. | ||
nunez
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govt policies made in response to me being a criminal made being a criminal so profitable, so govt is to blame for me being a criminal. that logic. | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 27 2014 05:38 nunez wrote: mhm, policies put in place in response to? govt policies made in response to me being a criminal made being a criminal so profitable, so govt is to blame for me being a criminal. that logic. Government policies that made a black market in basic foodstuffs, something you don't really see anywhere, lucrative and a white market in basic foodstuffs difficult is, at least partially, to blame. Not everything Venezuela has done has been in response to criminal activity btw. | ||
nunez
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everything done under chavez or madure is done in response to criminal activity. | ||
Cheerio
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On February 27 2014 06:05 nunez wrote: you're right... i should me more specific. everything done under chavez or madure is done in response to criminal activity. so they've been doing nothing but fighting those criminals for 15 years now and still can't even guarantee basic things like the absense of food shortgages? Sounds like they are losing badly. | ||
nunez
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JonnyBNoHo
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On February 27 2014 05:38 nunez wrote: mhm, policies put in place in response to? govt policies made in response to me being a criminal made being a criminal so profitable, so govt is to blame for me being a criminal. that logic. ... implying that all the relevant government policies were in response to criminal activity. That's not the case for many government policies that have contributed to the situation. So yeah I have to state the obvious - not all policies were responses to criminal activity. I don't know why it is such a hard sell that a country facing food shortages made some policy errors! | ||
nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On February 27 2014 05:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote: And their policies encourage it. And the example set by the leadership encourages it. Not everyhing done in Venezuela encourages the black market. | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 27 2014 09:12 nunez wrote: Not everyhing done in Venezuela encourages the black market. So? Venezuela has problems. Bad policies played a major role in that. | ||
nunez
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On February 27 2014 09:18 JonnyBNoHo wrote: So? Venezuela has problems. Bad policies played a major role in that. jonny you wrote: On February 27 2014 05:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote: And their policies encourage it. And the example set by the leadership encourages it. ... implying that everything that has happened in venezuela has encouraged the black market! that's not the case for all things that have happened in venezuela in the relevant time-frame. so yeah, i had to state the obvious - not everything that happened in venezuela in the given time frame encouraged the black market! i don't know why it is such a hard sell that a country with so many people has had things happen in it the last 15 years that didn't encourage the black market! | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 27 2014 09:26 nunez wrote: jonny you wrote: ... implying that everything that has happened in venezuela has encouraged the black market! that's not the case for all things that have happened in venezuela in the relevant time-frame. so yeah, i had to state the obvious - not everything that happened in venezuela in the given time frame encouraged the black market! i don't know why it is such a hard sell that a country with so many people has had things happen in it the last 15 years that didn't encourage the black market! You repeatedly countered my bad policy argument by claiming that the policies were in response to criminals. Pointing out that not all policies were in response is completely valid on my end. So respond to the rest: Did government polices not play a role in the rise of crime? I think they certainly did!! Did government polices not play a role in creating these economic problems? I think the did as well!! Or do you think that criminals are mainly to blame? If so, why was Venezuela beset by criminals? Did a bunch of cartels move into the country in the last few years? What created all the criminals? Bad luck?? | ||
nunez
Norway4003 Posts
Not everyhing done in Venezuela encourages the black market. everything done. you are implying that everything done in venezuela encourages the black market, pointing out not everything done in venezuela encourages the black market is completely valid on my end. that's a dumb false dichtonomy... do you think these guys played a role, or do you think these guys are mainly to blame? | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 27 2014 10:20 nunez wrote: nonono jonny boy. everything done. you are implying that everything done in venezuela encourages the black market, pointing out not everything done in venezuela encourages the black market is completely valid on my end. that's a dumb false dichtonomy... do you think these guys played a role, or do you think these guys are mainly to blame? I agreed with you that not everything has encouraged the black market... edit: see my response to your "not everyhing done in Venezuela encourages the black market" statement. I agreed that that's the case, but irrelevant. Anyways, I do think that the government is mainly to blame here. They've been derping with bad policy for a long time and the effects are starting to really hit hard. | ||
nunez
Norway4003 Posts
i was aping you, but it seems you out-"aped yourself" me. | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:00 nunez wrote: yes, it's completely irrelevant, it was written in jest. i was aping you, but it seems you out-"aped yourself" me. Yeah I know you were aping. Thought you had some point behind it, turns you you were just trolling. | ||
nunez
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:18 nunez wrote: haha, there's a point behind it. ... and what would that point be? That you like to avoid the subject at hand? | ||
nunez
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 27 2014 11:27 nunez wrote: tl satire. *sigh* got it, you're just a prick. | ||
nunez
Norway4003 Posts
sombre reading courtesy wsws, clocking in the death toll at 14 now. Until now, the protests have gained little support outside of the more privileged middle class areas of Caracas and other cities. There have been scattered reports of cacerolazos— beating of pots and pans—in working class and poorer areas of the capital. sourcePopular frustrations are building up in these areas and among working people across Venezuela over real wages that have been slashed by inflation and currency devaluations, shortages and the government’s attacks on militant workers’ strikes and protests. The right-wing parties that have led the anti-Maduro demonstrations, however, hold little appeal for these layers of the population. Advancing reactionary slogans such as “people’s capitalism,” they seek to destroy whatever gains have been won by Venezuelan working people over the past decades and to restore the iron rule of the country’s traditional oligarchy. sensibility speaks: While walking home yesterday, I noticed the banner above that had been draped across a walkover bridge on Sucre Avenue. It reads: “Si quieren llegar al gobierno ganen las elecciones! Mano dura a los guarimberas” (If you want to get to the government win elections! Get tough on organizers of violence!). sourceAs Capriles himself pointed out in a recent speech, few people outside of the middle and upper class sectors in the east are going to be won over by the protests in the east. For many these tactics have solidified the belief that the opposition has no qualms about breaking the democratic rules of the game. Thus, they are likely to generate support and justifications for more, not less, censorship of the opposition voice. blog it's taken from | ||
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