yeah , GM in SEA bla bla bla , he'll not be in GSL but it is not less amazing to do this.
keep on going!
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Meatloaf
Spain664 Posts
yeah , GM in SEA bla bla bla , he'll not be in GSL but it is not less amazing to do this. keep on going! | ||
dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On March 28 2013 04:34 hku wrote: Show nested quote + On March 28 2013 03:11 Aiursc wrote: On March 28 2013 00:23 hku wrote: I just can't believe everyone is dying to express their close-mindedness. Sure a controller is different. Sure the keyboard/mouse is the established setup. Yes the best players right now use keyboard/mouse. What offends me is that the people here seem to believe that the only way to be good at Starcraft is to perfectly mimic Stephano or MC or MVP. Starcraft's beauty comes from it's intricacies and how a person's personality shines through their play. This man comes along, clearly massively talented (honestly, how many of you thought getting to masters with a controller was impossible before this thread?), and all anybody has to say is that it is impossible. Don't you guys see that having different people playing differently is how the community, the strategic base, the knowledge of the game evolves? Stop being a pile of giant pricks. Just as a reminder to anyone that didn't read my previous post, I am newly GM on SEA. GM on sea is like being the best worst player. None of the good sea players even play on sea, even a diamond can get gm on sea. Last time I played on sea I got rank 1 gm in 3 days it's ridiculous. Stop acting like your opinion is weighted more just because you can get gm on the easiest server. You're a racist and a liar. racist? you serious? There is definitely a sizeable gap of skill between SEA and other servers. | ||
Yokwe
United States35 Posts
Stop being naive and putting NA GM on a high pedestal, it's more about grinding the games out than it is about being good. | ||
JKM
Denmark419 Posts
BUT GL in your efforts towards GM! | ||
Cress
United States212 Posts
On March 28 2013 00:11 emythrel wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2013 23:48 lorestarcraft wrote: Does anyone not consider that the controller probably has some distinct advantages, such as mouse precision and easy hotkeys? it also has some distinct disadvantages such as lack of buttons. How do you keep 7-8 control groups of units and buildings on a controller? you don't because it probably only has 8 buttons, all of which have to be bound to other things like the unit/building command card or using spells. There are always two sides to a story. Plus lets be honest here, no matter how good you got with a controller, there will always be people who plays with keyboard and mouse who stomp you because you are limited in ways they are not. It's impressive that hes made it to master, I can't even do that with a mouse and keyboard but then perhaps it says more about the design of Protoss and their 1a deathball potential than his skill with a pad. I certainly couldn't imagine him having the same success with Terran or Zerg, you need too many hotkeys and control groups to play effectively with a pad. Actually I have it set up in a way to expand the amount of buttons I have. If you are creative enough you will figure it out. It sounds like you've made a lot of assumptions. Which is fine, but I have vods of me winning against masters players using Zerg? Maybe they were just really bad masters players who knows. If I put time into any of the races I'm sure I could reach low masters with them. Protoss was my main race pick though Setting up hotkeys is pretty effortless for me and the mouse precision is fine. The analog stick mouse speed however is far below what a normal mouse could do and its one of the first critiques people would probably notice. Over the years of playing I'm noticed extremely sharp increases in my play both from changing how my controls work and from pratice I guess. I used to be so bad and chobo. I guess I still am. I would not be surprised if I had another increase in skill over the next year and was suddenly playing at 300 apm. There's also another factor that this is not really a full time thing for me. Just something I've been working on in my free time. Who really reachs GM playing star craft 2 part time^^;? This post is just a declaration of my dedication to improving. I'm just a lowly masters player at the moment though. I respect your opinion though and thank you for posting. I wish you would look over all the information next time though before making assumptions but its cool <3 Cress | ||
Pufftrees
2449 Posts
Chances are he would destroy you at SC2 lol... amazing I am so impressed. | ||
BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On March 28 2013 11:33 Cress wrote: Show nested quote + On March 28 2013 00:11 emythrel wrote: On March 27 2013 23:48 lorestarcraft wrote: Does anyone not consider that the controller probably has some distinct advantages, such as mouse precision and easy hotkeys? it also has some distinct disadvantages such as lack of buttons. How do you keep 7-8 control groups of units and buildings on a controller? you don't because it probably only has 8 buttons, all of which have to be bound to other things like the unit/building command card or using spells. There are always two sides to a story. Plus lets be honest here, no matter how good you got with a controller, there will always be people who plays with keyboard and mouse who stomp you because you are limited in ways they are not. It's impressive that hes made it to master, I can't even do that with a mouse and keyboard but then perhaps it says more about the design of Protoss and their 1a deathball potential than his skill with a pad. I certainly couldn't imagine him having the same success with Terran or Zerg, you need too many hotkeys and control groups to play effectively with a pad. Actually I have it set up in a way to expand the amount of buttons I have. If you are creative enough you will figure it out. It sounds like you've made a lot of assumptions. Which is fine, but I have vods of me winning against masters players using Zerg? Maybe they were just really bad masters players who knows. If I put time into any of the races I'm sure I could reach low masters with them. Protoss was my main race pick though Setting up hotkeys is pretty effortless for me and the mouse precision is fine. The analog stick mouse speed however is far below what a normal mouse could do and its one of the first critiques people would probably notice. Over the years of playing I'm noticed extremely sharp increases in my play both from changing how my controls work and from pratice I guess. I used to be so bad and chobo. I guess I still am. I would not be surprised if I had another increase in skill over the next year and was suddenly playing at 300 apm. There's also another factor that this is not really a full time thing for me. Just something I've been working on in my free time. Who really reachs GM playing star craft 2 part time^^;? This post is just a declaration of my dedication to improving. I'm just a lowly masters player at the moment though. I respect your opinion though and thank you for posting. I wish you would look over all the information next time though before making assumptions but its cool <3 Cress you seem to have a wrong impression about the players in gm.. I would say around 20-25% are actual progamers and the rest are just people who play in their freetime | ||
TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7519 Posts
Elfi have been rank 1 gm but he have something 100 apm? And he uses ONE control group for army ! | ||
Cress
United States212 Posts
On March 28 2013 14:29 imperator-xy wrote: if you could actually get really good with this youd have high chances of getting a sponsorship... i dont know how good grand master on sea is, but if you got enough time you should maybe try to get good enough to be able to participate at mlg or something I think that Sea does not have very many players. Its kinda like getting GM on the test server. I could be wrong though. | ||
Cress
United States212 Posts
On March 27 2013 16:29 thezanursic wrote: Maybe you should just buy a keyboard and a mouse and EZ mode to a MLG championship, hahahaha. Seriously though if you are that good at, I wonder how high you could get with a mouse (Did you ever try?)? The xbox360 controller thing just kinda happened. I played star craft 2 casually. Figured I would just keep doing it and no I've never played a single game of star craft 2 with the mouse and keyboard. Over time I noticed I was beating players who should have a huge advantage over me. In reality I'm super chobo, I guess you could say I do "alright". If I used the keyboard and mouse with no experience I bet I would be bronze ^^; | ||
Quochobao
United States350 Posts
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Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
On March 28 2013 14:33 Kaitokid wrote: Show nested quote + On March 28 2013 11:33 Cress wrote: On March 28 2013 00:11 emythrel wrote: On March 27 2013 23:48 lorestarcraft wrote: Does anyone not consider that the controller probably has some distinct advantages, such as mouse precision and easy hotkeys? it also has some distinct disadvantages such as lack of buttons. How do you keep 7-8 control groups of units and buildings on a controller? you don't because it probably only has 8 buttons, all of which have to be bound to other things like the unit/building command card or using spells. There are always two sides to a story. Plus lets be honest here, no matter how good you got with a controller, there will always be people who plays with keyboard and mouse who stomp you because you are limited in ways they are not. It's impressive that hes made it to master, I can't even do that with a mouse and keyboard but then perhaps it says more about the design of Protoss and their 1a deathball potential than his skill with a pad. I certainly couldn't imagine him having the same success with Terran or Zerg, you need too many hotkeys and control groups to play effectively with a pad. Actually I have it set up in a way to expand the amount of buttons I have. If you are creative enough you will figure it out. It sounds like you've made a lot of assumptions. Which is fine, but I have vods of me winning against masters players using Zerg? Maybe they were just really bad masters players who knows. If I put time into any of the races I'm sure I could reach low masters with them. Protoss was my main race pick though Setting up hotkeys is pretty effortless for me and the mouse precision is fine. The analog stick mouse speed however is far below what a normal mouse could do and its one of the first critiques people would probably notice. Over the years of playing I'm noticed extremely sharp increases in my play both from changing how my controls work and from pratice I guess. I used to be so bad and chobo. I guess I still am. I would not be surprised if I had another increase in skill over the next year and was suddenly playing at 300 apm. There's also another factor that this is not really a full time thing for me. Just something I've been working on in my free time. Who really reachs GM playing star craft 2 part time^^;? This post is just a declaration of my dedication to improving. I'm just a lowly masters player at the moment though. I respect your opinion though and thank you for posting. I wish you would look over all the information next time though before making assumptions but its cool <3 Cress you seem to have a wrong impression about the players in gm.. I would say around 20-25% are actual progamers and the rest are just people who play in their freetime And out of the Progamers in GM a large portion is studying or doing other stuff in their life apart from playing SC2 too. There aren't many "progamers" who can actually live from playing Starcraft, and many of the young kids are also still going to school while rocking GM. | ||
QuackPocketDuck
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VelJa
France1109 Posts
U are the hero that sc2 needs. :D | ||
Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
I recommend you try Blizzard's micro challenge map called "Starcraft master", and see how well you can do. I think that would be more impressive than getting to grandmaster, since at one point —or even now— people get to Grandmaster just from lots of playing using rush/all-in strategies (like the advertised GM 6 pooler). Then again, the reason such people do well is because of their micro execution in that strategy. Obviously Starcraft Master is easy for someone with a keyboard and mouse, but I wouldn't think it'd be the case for someone using a handheld controller. | ||
xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
On March 28 2013 08:13 dacimvrl wrote: Show nested quote + On March 28 2013 04:34 hku wrote: On March 28 2013 03:11 Aiursc wrote: On March 28 2013 00:23 hku wrote: I just can't believe everyone is dying to express their close-mindedness. Sure a controller is different. Sure the keyboard/mouse is the established setup. Yes the best players right now use keyboard/mouse. What offends me is that the people here seem to believe that the only way to be good at Starcraft is to perfectly mimic Stephano or MC or MVP. Starcraft's beauty comes from it's intricacies and how a person's personality shines through their play. This man comes along, clearly massively talented (honestly, how many of you thought getting to masters with a controller was impossible before this thread?), and all anybody has to say is that it is impossible. Don't you guys see that having different people playing differently is how the community, the strategic base, the knowledge of the game evolves? Stop being a pile of giant pricks. Just as a reminder to anyone that didn't read my previous post, I am newly GM on SEA. GM on sea is like being the best worst player. None of the good sea players even play on sea, even a diamond can get gm on sea. Last time I played on sea I got rank 1 gm in 3 days it's ridiculous. Stop acting like your opinion is weighted more just because you can get gm on the easiest server. You're a racist and a liar. racist? you serious? There is definitely a sizeable gap of skill between SEA and other servers. Getting rank1 gm in SEA within 3 days is definitely lying. Also, as a diamond in SEA I easily got masters in NA, where I notice people are about the same level as a league lower's equivalent in SEA. So maybe NA has got more pros at the highest levels, but the lower leagues are much worse than SEA. I find advocating close mindedness a hilarious thing that has proven to be counter productive. Elitists will always be elitist, so I guess there's no saving some people. | ||
gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
OT: Playing with a 360 controller is awesome, huge props to the OP. But outside of getting people interested for your own stream its pointless. (Just send one of your workers at game start to the opponent, this should make the game also harder) | ||
Emperor
Norway68 Posts
On March 29 2013 18:33 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Can we please all agree that being GM outside of Korea is no big deal? It can achieved with mass grinding and a few anti-meta builds. OT: Playing with a 360 controller is awesome, huge props to the OP. But outside of getting people interested for your own stream its pointless. (Just send one of your workers at game start to the opponent, this should make the game also harder) Getting GM is pretty impressive on most servers. Not really on SEA though as its much easier than other servers. I know a low master EU player getting top GM on SEA in like a week or something. So its level cant possibbly be as high as the other servers. Cool to see someone getting this far with a gamepad though. | ||
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