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Norway25712 Posts
On December 27 2012 03:12 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2 You are aware that events like IPL5 broke records once again, with both SC2 and LoL streams? THe reason numbers are lower is that there are so many tournaments. Back in '11 there were fewer, so everyone tuned in when it was live. Now, people wont watch all events, but the viewer count is still really really high, just more spread out.
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On December 27 2012 03:31 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 03:12 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2 You are aware that events like IPL5 broke records once again, with both SC2 and LoL streams? THe reason numbers are lower is that there are so many tournaments. Back in '11 there were fewer, so everyone tuned in when it was live. Now, people wont watch all events, but the viewer count is still really really high, just more spread out. That's been confirmed by a lot of people who are involved in the tournaments as well. It's really annoying when people are saying 'Guys, Dreamhack only had 60k viewers in the finals...SC2 IS DEAD!' When in fact there is another tournament going on at the same time, and another 3 enormous tournaments in the next few weeks. In comparison, how many tournaments does LoL have every year?
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On December 27 2012 03:31 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 03:12 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2 You are aware that events like IPL5 broke records once again, with both SC2 and LoL streams? THe reason numbers are lower is that there are so many tournaments. Back in '11 there were fewer, so everyone tuned in when it was live. Now, people wont watch all events, but the viewer count is still really really high, just more spread out.
Indeed, SC2 is doing terrific right now. That is why GSL gave out $1,320,008 to prize winners in 2011 and only $842,412 in 2012.
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On December 27 2012 03:56 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 03:31 KristofferAG wrote:On December 27 2012 03:12 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2 You are aware that events like IPL5 broke records once again, with both SC2 and LoL streams? THe reason numbers are lower is that there are so many tournaments. Back in '11 there were fewer, so everyone tuned in when it was live. Now, people wont watch all events, but the viewer count is still really really high, just more spread out. Indeed, SC2 is doing terrific right now. That is why GSL gave out $1,320,008 to prize winners in 2011 and only $842,412 in 2012. That's also why Blizzard have started hosting tournaments with $100k first place prizes + what it pays out to people who win the continental and national tournaments. SC2 is dead guys.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 27 2012 03:56 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 03:31 KristofferAG wrote:On December 27 2012 03:12 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2 You are aware that events like IPL5 broke records once again, with both SC2 and LoL streams? THe reason numbers are lower is that there are so many tournaments. Back in '11 there were fewer, so everyone tuned in when it was live. Now, people wont watch all events, but the viewer count is still really really high, just more spread out. Indeed, SC2 is doing terrific right now. That is why GSL gave out $1,320,008 to prize winners in 2011 and only $842,412 in 2012.
In that case, WCS would like a word with you. Funny how a game that is dying has a tournament series worth several hundred thousand dollars this year, compared to Blizzcon's $85.000 last year.
Indeed, SC2 is doing terrific right now. Might be the reason why MLG, this year, handed out give-or-take $400.000 in prize money as opposed to $190.000 in 2011. Am I doing this right?
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On December 27 2012 04:19 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 03:56 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 03:31 KristofferAG wrote:On December 27 2012 03:12 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2 You are aware that events like IPL5 broke records once again, with both SC2 and LoL streams? THe reason numbers are lower is that there are so many tournaments. Back in '11 there were fewer, so everyone tuned in when it was live. Now, people wont watch all events, but the viewer count is still really really high, just more spread out. Indeed, SC2 is doing terrific right now. That is why GSL gave out $1,320,008 to prize winners in 2011 and only $842,412 in 2012. In that case, WCS would like a word with you. Funny how a game that is dying has a tournament series worth several hundred thousand dollars this year, compared to Blizzcon's $85.000 last year. Indeed, SC2 is doing terrific right now. Might be the reason why MLG, this year, handed out give-or-take $400.000 in prize money as opposed to $190.000 in 2011. Am I doing this right?
Unfortunately the stream numbers are down.
On December 27 2012 03:58 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 03:56 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 03:31 KristofferAG wrote:On December 27 2012 03:12 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2 You are aware that events like IPL5 broke records once again, with both SC2 and LoL streams? THe reason numbers are lower is that there are so many tournaments. Back in '11 there were fewer, so everyone tuned in when it was live. Now, people wont watch all events, but the viewer count is still really really high, just more spread out. Indeed, SC2 is doing terrific right now. That is why GSL gave out $1,320,008 to prize winners in 2011 and only $842,412 in 2012. That's also why Blizzard have started hosting tournaments with $100k first place prizes + what it pays out to people who win the continental and national tournaments. SC2 is dead guys.
Blizzard needs to advertise their games. It shows people that they are interested in their game. They did the same for WoW as an esport.
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No...the stream numbers aren't down. We have a massive, enormous oversaturation of tournaments at the moment. If you add up all the stream numbers for every tournament for 2011, and do the same for 2012, you get higher for 2012. That's plainly the truth. And your point about Blizzard needing to advertise their game, while being a valid one, is in no way relevant to what I said.
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On December 27 2012 03:56 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 03:31 KristofferAG wrote:On December 27 2012 03:12 nomyx wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2 You are aware that events like IPL5 broke records once again, with both SC2 and LoL streams? THe reason numbers are lower is that there are so many tournaments. Back in '11 there were fewer, so everyone tuned in when it was live. Now, people wont watch all events, but the viewer count is still really really high, just more spread out. Indeed, SC2 is doing terrific right now. That is why GSL gave out $1,320,008 to prize winners in 2011 and only $842,412 in 2012.
In terms of main tournament, there were 5 seasons in 2012 and 7 (?) in 2011. This comes out to roughly the same amount per tournament, although I dunno what the effect of the special events would be on these numbers.
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e.e the conversation has pretty much nothing to do with the OP.
Back on subject now, is playhem planning on hosting daily tournaments ever again? I know it's been said by Mr.Bitter that they have plans in the future, but it hasn't been clear on whether or not there will be small tournaments, as I think it was really good for lesser known players that wanted to make a name for themselves
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On December 27 2012 06:15 kollin wrote: No...the stream numbers aren't down. We have a massive, enormous oversaturation of tournaments at the moment. If you add up all the stream numbers for every tournament for 2011, and do the same for 2012, you get higher for 2012. That's plainly the truth. And your point about Blizzard needing to advertise their game, while being a valid one, is in no way relevant to what I said.
I'd like to see the numbers please.
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and id like to see the thread going the way it should: playhem related
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The only way to make this thread any worst would be to start some balance whine, anyone?
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On December 27 2012 06:36 crbox wrote: The only way to make this thread any worst would be to start some balance whine, anyone? Uh no thanks. Great post though, thank you for your contribution.
Personally I hope Playhem comes back stronger than ever. I really enjoyed jumping in a random daily or weekly tourney just for fun on a night that I wasn't doing anything else. I'm a lowly diamond so never WON, but if I could make it past a master player it was very rewarding for me personal even though no monetary reward.
While I'd love to see blizz run ladder tourneys or what-have-you. I'd really like to see a strong showing from some of these 3rd parties.
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On December 27 Blizzard needs to advertise their games. It shows people that they are interested in their game. They did the same for WoW as an esport.
WoW is a mainstream game. Starcraft is not. It is a waste of time to do any time of mainstream advertising for SC2 in North America. MAYBE Sweden, Germany, and China. DEFINITELY South Korea.
I'd rather have Blizzard spends their enormous resources on GomTV.Net and other niche market forms of advertising.
i hope Playhem returns!
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Surprised (and a bit worried) there is still no official response or update from Playhem on this. Mr. Bitter's comment/update is pretty much meaningless at this point ("forward-thinking plans" - lol?). These guys owe people MONEY. Talk is extremely cheap at this point. The people they owe money to are all waiting to hear when they are getting paid. If that money no longer exists, they need to make a statement about it, not go into hiding and hope that everyone just forgets.
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On December 27 2012 07:12 rhs408 wrote: Surprised (and a bit worried) there is still no official response or update from Playhem on this. Mr. Bitter's comment/update is pretty much meaningless at this point ("forward-thinking plans" - lol?). These guys owe people MONEY. Talk is extremely cheap at this point. The people they owe money to are all waiting to hear when they are getting paid. If that money no longer exists, they need to make a statement about it, not go into hiding and hope that everyone just forgets.
they have been paying out over the past few days, Though still no update or anything.
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Hmm, stuff at an online job gets neglected over the holidays, and there is a rush to make a thread. Use common sense until you actually know whats happening.
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I got my 55 dollars aswell
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I'm really curious what Playhem is up to. I hope cool things are coming!
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