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Map Name Selva Vivo
Number of Players 4
Playable 144x144
Published KR NA
Overview
Aesthetics
Intentions - It was a challenge for myself to create a small 4p 45 degree mirror map. - It uses the new hots jungle theme. - No space behind minerals in mains to save space. - Space Efficiency
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Nice, I always like lava with jungle combos But that lava is impassable right? Doesn't that make for very tight chokes?
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yay 4p diagonal mirror where I could actually see playing any two spawns! It's a pretty soft mirror but still pretty cool. I think the choked ground in the middle will help to encourage air play even more, which makes the towers quite useful. Well done I'll come back with a more in depth analysis after playing some games on it
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Quite pretty. It seems at first glance very turtley because of the lava walls, until you realize that you have to go quite a ways for later bases (4 to some extent, and very much so 5+) which should help with that a lot.
The small land wall at the 3rd is a nice addition, should be interesting. I think more small land walls like this in future maps could be a nice trend. It would force zergs to bring an overseer when they attack (in order to get vision around the wall), and then the defender (if he thought it was worth it) could try to snipe the overseer. So it's basically an LOS blocker but zerglings can't run through it, which is great.
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Callynn// Yes. This is one of map's flaws, but I tried to compensate by giving a large open space to contrast the chokes, so you don't HAVE to engage in them.
RFD// Yeah. All spawns is really difficult, and makes kinda weird maps, but who cares xP
Fatam// Thanks. It's not that turtley, as runbys are pretty strong, and because the expansions are pretty far away. I tried to make the third a bit easier to take with the land wall. Glad you like it! You can drops marines but not tanks up there as well.
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Oh someone used the trolltextures.
The rest is really weird so I can´t talk a lot about it but that I really don´t like the focus on space efficiency. The corner bases are too far out imo.
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This looks like a very aggressive map with nice siege position near natural and relatively exposed 3rd base. Will definitely benefit more micro-oriented players and 2 base timing people. Interesting middle design. Doesnt the XWT fully reveal the army move out tho?
Also, lava ;-)
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what's around the edges of the map? is it perfectly still water?
I think this sort of map is really hard to do so well done trying. A minor tweak I would do is point the main ramps towards the natural rather than away. A major tweak I would do it give up trying to make it mirror and just make it rotational instead, it would be much easy to fix imbalances if it was rotational symmetry. You could even do a half-rotational half-mirror like Johanaz
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That lava and jungle combo is pretty nifty.
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I think that if you moved the tall grass to the other choke to the third, it would be better.
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On November 14 2012 00:22 Aunvilgod wrote: Oh someone used the trolltextures.
The rest is really weird so I can´t talk a lot about it but that I really don´t like the focus on space efficiency. The corner bases are too far out imo. How is it trolltextures? .... I'd say that a lot of people would disagree with your statement.
On November 14 2012 02:08 necrimanci wrote: This looks like a very aggressive map with nice siege position near natural and relatively exposed 3rd base. Will definitely benefit more micro-oriented players and 2 base timing people. Interesting middle design. Doesnt the XWT fully reveal the army move out tho?
Also, lava ;-) It only shows the sides, so unless your army is there, which it probably won't be, it should be fine.
On November 14 2012 22:07 OxyGenesis wrote:what's around the edges of the map? is it perfectly still water? I think this sort of map is really hard to do so well done trying. A minor tweak I would do is point the main ramps towards the natural rather than away. A major tweak I would do it give up trying to make it mirror and just make it rotational instead, it would be much easy to fix imbalances if it was rotational symmetry. You could even do a half-rotational half-mirror like Johanaz Water. Hmm, ok that could work, it would increase the rush distance too, which might be good too.
On November 15 2012 08:19 Scurvy wrote: That lava and jungle combo is pretty nifty. Thanks. But it's just the tileset doing its job
On November 15 2012 08:41 zelevin wrote: I think that if you moved the tall grass to the other choke to the third, it would be better.
Why do you think so? If you could explain, I think that'd help me.
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Whoa, I can see you put a tonne of effort into the textures. All balance aside, it looks absolutely beautiful. That orange lava and bright green grass are just make a pleasing-to-look-at contrast.
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On November 17 2012 15:53 shizaep wrote: Whoa, I can see you put a tonne of effort into the textures. All balance aside, it looks absolutely beautiful. That orange lava and bright green grass are just make a pleasing-to-look-at contrast. Thanks again, the new Hots textures are pretty good :D
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I really like the looks of this. Lately to me it seemed that this section got a little stale aesthetically. I know that this is HoTS material, co it naturallt makes for a fresh wind, but I think you went even a step further.
But I don't really like the lack of airspace beyond main minerals. I think that allowing harass is very important in SC2 because there is already enjough pressure to keep all army in one place. This goes in the oposite way I am afraid.
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I'll just suggest that you rename it to "Selva Viva"
From the name, I assume you tried naming it "Living Jungle" in either portuguese or spanish, but "Vivo" is the wrong verbal conjugation for either language
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On November 20 2012 00:23 Zephirdd wrote:I'll just suggest that you rename it to "Selva Viva" From the name, I assume you tried naming it "Living Jungle" in either portuguese or spanish, but "Vivo" is the wrong verbal conjugation for either language
It's true, with my limited amount of spanish, I tried to come up with the name. However, Vivo isn't a verb, it's more of a noun so it's more like Living Jungle so Selva Vivo Viva means Alive in spanish, and I was under the impression that Vivo cannot be used as Viva? It changes its meaning, no?
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Excellent color, texture, and layout. Looks like an incredibly fun map to play, and is like an expert version of shattered/lost temple :D
Gonna play a few rounds on it on friday when me and my friends do 1v1 customs.
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On November 20 2012 01:04 Semmo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 00:23 Zephirdd wrote:I'll just suggest that you rename it to "Selva Viva" From the name, I assume you tried naming it "Living Jungle" in either portuguese or spanish, but "Vivo" is the wrong verbal conjugation for either language It's true, with my limited amount of spanish, I tried to come up with the name. However, Vivo isn't a verb, it's more of a noun so it's more like Living Jungle so Selva Vivo Viva means Alive in spanish, and I was under the impression that Vivo cannot be used as Viva? It changes its meaning, no?
Actually, "Viver" is the verb "To Live". "Vivo" and "Viva" are forms form of the same verb(like Living is to To Live), but "Vivo" is a masculine form and "Viva" is a feminine. In fact, "Living" would be an adjective, but the same rules apply for Vivo/Viva.
Selva is a feminine-type noun(A selva instead of o selva) and therefore the adjective is modified to it's feminine form. Yeah, these languages are a bitch
also, "Alive" is "vivo" and "viva" too, whereas it is the noun instead of the adjective. It's just that "Selva"(Jungle) does not use the masculine form in any occasion, so it'd always be Selva Viva
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On November 21 2012 04:54 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 01:04 Semmo wrote:On November 20 2012 00:23 Zephirdd wrote:I'll just suggest that you rename it to "Selva Viva" From the name, I assume you tried naming it "Living Jungle" in either portuguese or spanish, but "Vivo" is the wrong verbal conjugation for either language It's true, with my limited amount of spanish, I tried to come up with the name. However, Vivo isn't a verb, it's more of a noun so it's more like Living Jungle so Selva Vivo Viva means Alive in spanish, and I was under the impression that Vivo cannot be used as Viva? It changes its meaning, no? Actually, "Viver" is the verb "To Live". "Vivo" and "Viva" are forms form of the same verb(like Living is to To Live), but "Vivo" is a masculine form and "Viva" is a feminine. In fact, "Living" would be an adjective, but the same rules apply for Vivo/Viva. Selva is a feminine-type noun( A selva instead of o selva) and therefore the adjective is modified to it's feminine form. Yeah, these languages are a bitch also, "Alive" is "vivo" and "viva" too, whereas it is the noun instead of the adjective. It's just that "Selva"(Jungle) does not use the masculine form in any occasion, so it'd always be Selva Viva
Yeah I know viver is the verb to live (infinitive form). Vivo would be I live Viva is not a verb is it?
Anyways, you're right. It should be feminine - feminine. So Selva Viva I'm thinking, right?
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On November 23 2012 10:41 Semmo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 04:54 Zephirdd wrote:On November 20 2012 01:04 Semmo wrote:On November 20 2012 00:23 Zephirdd wrote:I'll just suggest that you rename it to "Selva Viva" From the name, I assume you tried naming it "Living Jungle" in either portuguese or spanish, but "Vivo" is the wrong verbal conjugation for either language It's true, with my limited amount of spanish, I tried to come up with the name. However, Vivo isn't a verb, it's more of a noun so it's more like Living Jungle so Selva Vivo Viva means Alive in spanish, and I was under the impression that Vivo cannot be used as Viva? It changes its meaning, no? Actually, "Viver" is the verb "To Live". "Vivo" and "Viva" are forms form of the same verb(like Living is to To Live), but "Vivo" is a masculine form and "Viva" is a feminine. In fact, "Living" would be an adjective, but the same rules apply for Vivo/Viva. Selva is a feminine-type noun( A selva instead of o selva) and therefore the adjective is modified to it's feminine form. Yeah, these languages are a bitch also, "Alive" is "vivo" and "viva" too, whereas it is the noun instead of the adjective. It's just that "Selva"(Jungle) does not use the masculine form in any occasion, so it'd always be Selva Viva Yeah I know viver is the verb to live (infinitive form). Vivo would be I live Viva is not a verb is it? Anyways, you're right. It should be feminine - feminine. So Selva Viva I'm thinking, right?
Vivir = to live (a verb) Vivo = living (an adjective)
Since selva is feminine, you must change the adjective to feminine form too (viva)
La Selva Viva = The Living Jungle
If you want to use a verb, then you have to conjugate the verb vivir into its appropriate form:
La Selva Vive = The Jungle Lives
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