EPTEG.IdrA on the six-pool, MLG Arena, 1.4.3 - Page 14
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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sabas123
Netherlands3121 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On February 24 2012 23:44 Huragius wrote: First of all, that 'entertaining games' card is bullshit to me. Some cheeses or all-ins are totally fine in Bo7 series and even makes it more fun for viewers. And when a professional player starts to complain about all-ins due to which he decided not to take showmatch serious makes me want to cry and laugh at same time. If Idra tried to play those last matches like a real man, who knows, maybe these series would have turned out to be quite a showmatch but when he threw it away the whole event seemed like shit. So even if he complained about Alive's cheeses, what he did was way worse. Also, I think (I may be wrong, but who knows!) that actually playing the last two games would have given Idra a better chance two win the series instead of throwing them away... Alive would probably just keep throwing timings and cheeses at him, and at least I personally find that to be just as boring and annoying to watch as 6-pooling. The players that love to see terrans cheese in 10 min games probably wouldn't mind seeing a 6-pool all that much either, so I don't see the difference between what Alive and Idra did. Of course, Idra could have chosen a better all in, but zergs are incredily limited when it comes to early timings and all ins, and Alive isn't exactly the type we see lose to Zerg all ins | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:07 Aocowns wrote: Alive would probably just keep throwing timings and cheeses at him, and at least I personally find that to be just as boring and annoying to watch as 6-pooling. The players that love to see terrans cheese in 10 min games probably wouldn't mind seeing a 6-pool all that much either, so I don't see the difference between what Alive and Idra did. Of course, Idra could have chosen a better all in, but zergs are incredily limited when it comes to early timings and all ins, and Alive isn't exactly the type we see lose to Zerg all ins did you watch alives games in code s? and yet your saying alive is an allin-player who falls to cheese? also: do you really want to watch seven 30 minute games with 5 min break inbetween, sitting infront of your pc three straight hours? and if youre the player: do you really want to play seven 30 minute games with 5 min break inbetween, sitting infront of your pc three straight hours? bo7 IS pretty tiring. throwing in a few all-ins is the most common thing to do. now considering the idra-tilt-factor, doing all-ins right on the start was the best choice;-) because it looks like HE didnt plan his allins for the third and fourth game (if he planned ANYTHING for the showmatch, that is). the only real losers here are the viewers. edit: also keep in mind, it was a SHOWMATCH, meaning player got payed to show us a match. alive worked out some flashy build to keep the viewers entertained, but idra seemed to not have invested a single second beforehands for the match. playing games is his god damn job and i would expect a gamer to invest some time to entertain us. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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dehdar
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Regarding Idra 6 pooling, why is it such a big deal? I do it all the time. lol | ||
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etherealfall
Australia476 Posts
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
aLive cheesed two games in a row, and won two games in a row. IdrA, being the proponent for safe playing, should/would have managed to hold off the cheese had he been the better player that day. I'd don't care that he six pooled twice in a row, but it doesn't reflect well on EG, specially when they were so vocal about the Naniwa sitation. To IdrA's defence, he seemed to take Naniwas side in that whole debacle. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:18 Heimatloser wrote: did you watch alives games in code s? and yet your saying alive is an allin-player who falls to cheese? also: do you really want to watch seven 30 minute games with 5 min break inbetween, sitting infront of your pc three straight hours? and if youre the player: do you really want to play seven 30 minute games with 5 min break inbetween, sitting infront of your pc three straight hours? bo7 IS pretty tiring. throwing in a few all-ins is the most common thing to do. now considering the idra-tilt-factor, doing all-ins right on the start was the best choice;-) because it looks like HE didnt plan his allins for the third and fourth game (if he planned ANYTHING for the showmatch, that is). the only real losers here are the viewers. I never said Alive was a cheeser...? He is an incredibly strong and versatile player, like all the top terran players. Idra was asked about the showmatch a few hours before the actual match, so I guess he didn't have a world of time to plan that much. Stop exagerating, of course it would have been annoying watching 7 30 min games. By ''macro game'' I mean a game that progress all the way to 3 bases, and past. Yeah, Alive gave us 2 shitty games, and then Idra gave us 2 shitty games :/ Such a shame, I really think it would have made for a good match if it made it past the 10 min mark. Idra's macro is always a joy to watch, and Alive is Alive; a freaking GSL finals contender | ||
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On February 24 2012 20:26 aebriol wrote: 6 pool can easily win vs terran that don't wall off. It's a valid cheese if you expect the terran not to. Alive outplayed Idra when he 6 pooled, nothing more to it. (Alive didn't wall in. Idra 6 pooled. Idra lost. Apparently it's not easy enough for Idra to manage to win). | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:09 s3rp wrote: Can't believe i'm saying this but i agree with Idra on his points regarding the balancing situation ^^ I think so too. Sometimes I read things and watch things that make Idra look whiny and bad, other times he comes in with spot-on, detailed reasoning. This interview was great. I hope Idra does better than I expect him too, especially vs Oz! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:29 Aocowns wrote: I never said Alive was a cheeser...? He is an incredibly strong and versatile player, like all the top terran players. Idra was asked about the showmatch a few hours before the actual match, so I guess he didn't have a world of time to plan that much. Stop exagerating, of course it would have been annoying watching 7 30 min games. By ''macro game'' I mean a game that progress all the way to 3 bases, and past. Yeah, Alive gave us 2 shitty games, and then Idra gave us 2 shitty games :/ Such a shame, I really think it would have made for a good match if it made it past the 10 min mark. Idra's macro is always a joy to watch, and Alive is Alive; a freaking GSL finals contender They were bad games and do feel bad for Idra. He is clearly in a bad place mentally and it is affecting his play. He had such a good run in Code S back in the day, but I think he is feeling the pain of being unable to recreate those results. Still, he is fun to cheer for when he is on his game and hopefully we can get back to it. | ||
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