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Too good to say it's random.
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An awesome streak to be sure, the victory over Jaedong is some delicious icing on the cake. Notably he lost to Bisu, I remember watching that game and thinking that even though EffOrt was playing well he seemed to be outclassed by Bisu. I think that after the GomClassic, MSL and OSL are over we'll be able to see if EffOrt is the real deal or if he is just on one of the hottest streaks ever. Nevertheless it's impressive and I hope he continues to dominate.
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United States9232 Posts
Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better.
+ Show Spoiler +Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt
I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.
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It's impressive, but titles are what really determines a player's worth at the end of the day. I'll respect Effort as a legitimate Starleague contender when he whens a Bo5 in the MSL or OSL.
Not taking away from how he's been playing, of course.
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On June 12 2009 06:52 SuperArc wrote:
Too good to say it's random.
... that's actually the opposite of how stats works
Not denying that Effort is a great player but claiming that variance isn't involved is pretty farfetched
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
25 wins - 3 losses (89.29%)
how good is that? beat the boss of zvz jd, flash, shows such ridiculous zvt, this is rarity.
this streak is better than any bonjwa's, just didn't win or progress too far in any SL yet.
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Its very clear that he is playing amazing. The Cj house used to talk about their new young superstar and that was a long time ago. If you have watch his games you understand why he is so good. The game against Flash was just "WTF just happen". But of course no player can substain his form for ever.
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How can people still say he's lucky? wtf...
He's becoming a monster!
EFFORT HWAITING!
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
BTW since he started pretty strong and has this insane streak early, his career overall win % may end up being the highest ever at least on TLPD. 66.25% now, it will improve.
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i was just remarking the other day how effort's sick performance is possible while kwanro (who was first hyped to become someone good) and of course savior, are struggling. they likely all have he same practice hours/regimen, what makes effort stand out so much compared to his teammates (which includes a former bonjwa) like this? just natural talent?
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Savior using his time to improve Effort of course!
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I believe he is on a great streak, and this has come with lots of improving and a bit of luck
Last year´s MSL or OSL finalist had a winning rate of 75% during their last month, and Effort is in that way, but I fear that he might choke the same way Flash did on 1st quarter 2008, when he got beated in MSL and OSL semis, and lost GOMTV Season1 in a fashion 3-0 vs JD
Definitely, a new star is rising. The next leader in CJ Entus
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
On June 12 2009 07:06 SuperArc wrote:
Savior using his time to improve Effort of course!
I won't be surprised if Savior realized his brain and hands are too slow now and actually really helping Effort to grow, especially in mind games and strategies knowledge.
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On June 12 2009 07:04 PanoRaMa wrote:
i was just remarking the other day how effort's sick performance is possible while kwanro (who was first hyped to become someone good) and of course savior, are struggling. they likely all have he same practice hours/regimen, what makes effort stand out so much compared to his teammates (which includes a former bonjwa) like this? just natural talent?
Progamers have set practice schedules but there's nothing preventing them from practicing more than their schedule dictates. In his interview with Bisu, Jaedong implied that at one point, he was practicing ~15 hours per day. Of course, it's entirely possible that Effort is naturally talented. I would really like to see some interviews with him =D
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On June 12 2009 06:55 FabledIntegral wrote:Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better. + Show Spoiler +Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.
Uh WHAT?
his array of victories isn't full of no names either.
Stork Mind Luxury (allthough he sucks) Flash Jaedong etc.
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On June 12 2009 07:09 Magic84 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 07:06 SuperArc wrote:
Savior using his time to improve Effort of course! I won't be surprised if Savior realized his brain and hands are too slow now and actually really helping Effort to grow, especially in mind games and strategies knowledge.
I doubt Savior's brain is too slow, but yeah, he just doesn't have the mechanics all top players have.
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On June 12 2009 06:55 FabledIntegral wrote:Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better. + Show Spoiler +Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.
Yeah, beating Jaedong, Luxury, Stork, free, Mind, Hiya, July, fOrGG, and Flash means NOTHING. Seriously, anyone could do this. Even fucking tester could go on a 10 game streak playing scrubs like the ones Effort has played. God, may as well get some random BGHer on East to play these people - no doubt he would at least go 50/50.
qft man, qft
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It's more impressive if you've watched all of these games. Some skill is hard to quantify but you can just feel it unfolding in the match. He is one badass mofo to put it lightly.
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United States9232 Posts
On June 12 2009 07:11 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 06:55 FabledIntegral wrote:Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better. + Show Spoiler +Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about. Uh WHAT? his array of victories isn't full of no names either. Stork Mind Luxury (allthough he sucks) Flash Jaedong etc.
Out of 25 wins about 6 of them were vs impressive players. The rest were scrubs.
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