EPTThis probably means I should switch races cuz I really don't like having a ceiling on my macro. For example, in tvz, there's practically no ceiling cuz it's near impossible to manage 5 control groups of mnms with vessels while maintaining perfect macro (except for FlaSh).
Do all top zergs have perfect macro?
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tdotkrayz
United States136 Posts
This probably means I should switch races cuz I really don't like having a ceiling on my macro. For example, in tvz, there's practically no ceiling cuz it's near impossible to manage 5 control groups of mnms with vessels while maintaining perfect macro (except for FlaSh). | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
Also, thats why i lose. :[ | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
The thing that helps me though is that you hotkey hatcheries and build before a big battle/drop/harass, Do it once during if it's a long engagement, and then do it AGAIN after the battle. This will usually keep my hatcheries running really solidly until my speed can't keep up anymore due to defiler micro or ensnare or a doom drop + middle battle. That i'm hoping will simply come from additional experience. Like mentioned before though, Zerg macro is really unforgiving. Not only does the race entirely rely on overwhelming numbers, but they have the hardest method of macroing to go along with it. Sure it builds faster because of lack of queues, but the lack of queues is what makes it more unwieldy. Any really competitive zerg will absolutely need damn near perfect macro to be a viable threat to other players at a high level. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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tdotkrayz
United States136 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:09 Cloud wrote: AH COME ON, how often do you really look at their hatcheries??? Do you really think you can hotkey every single hatchery you have? Have you ever watched a zvp? Have you ever watched a macro oriented zvt? Have you ever heard of ultralisks? 5su6su7su8su BAM, 1200 minerals and gas are spent | ||
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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
t even know how fast lmao. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
look mineral count, definetly some improvement ;D | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:11 tdotkrayz wrote: Have you ever heard of ultralisks? 5su6su7su8su BAM, 1200 minerals and gas are spent The fact of the matter is that a majority of games simply do not last till ultralisks. Yes, once you get to ultralisks macro becomes relatively easier. However, mid-game macro? Muta-Micro + macro is hard, Ling-Hydra->Lurker macro is hard, defiler micro + flank + macro is hard. | ||
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anderoo
Canada1876 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:11 tdotkrayz wrote: Have you ever heard of ultralisks? 5su6su7su8su BAM, 1200 minerals and gas are spent I think that's a 'No" | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:11 tdotkrayz wrote: Have you ever heard of ultralisks? 5su6su7su8su BAM, 1200 minerals and gas are spent Holy shit, you are totally right. You just made me realize, you dont need more than 2 hatcheries the whole game! 6 larvae -> 6 ultra -> 1200/1200 minerals/gas spent in a split of a second, easiest shit ever. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
The difficult part of Zerg macro is part of what we call game management (and almost all great Zergs were famous for their game management), it's knowing when to spend your money on what and getting away with using as many larvae as possible for drones while still maintaining an army to keep T or P at bay. | ||
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tdotkrayz
United States136 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:13 Too_MuchZerg wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-OCFQhJNok look mineral count, definetly some improvement ;D ROFL, and this is the zerg that beat Bisu? With over 2000 minerals in the bank for half the game against sea.ruby!!!! Wow, pvz really is imba then... | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:24 tdotkrayz wrote: ROFL, and this is the zerg that beat Bisu? With over 2000 minerals in the bank for half the game against sea.ruby!!!! Wow, pvz really is imba then... More like 3000+ half of the game, going 4000+ few parts of the game :D | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:24 tdotkrayz wrote: ROFL, and this is the zerg that beat Bisu? With over 2000 minerals in the bank for half the game against sea.ruby!!!! Wow, pvz really is imba then... Actually Bisu played pretty down right terrible against By.Hero. ZvP has long lost it's imba luster unless you're playing on TOTM | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:24 tdotkrayz wrote: ROFL, and this is the zerg that beat Bisu? With over 2000 minerals in the bank for half the game against sea.ruby!!!! Wow, pvz really is imba then... You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, if you re-watch it he was spending all his gas as it came in, he had 2k minerals with under 100 gas almost the entire time, he can't spend his minerals as much as he wants to, if he has no gas. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:45 lokiM wrote: You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, if you re-watch it he was spending all his gas as it came in, he had 2k minerals with under 100 gas almost the entire time, he can't spend his minerals as much as he wants to, if he has no gas. Every other zerg can do it,he shouldnt be an exception. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 17 2009 09:46 arb wrote: Every other zerg can do it,he shouldnt be an exception. It's possible to be gas starved.... That's exactly what happened here, he was simply gas starved and without gas no hydras/lurks/defilers etc etc. Making mass lings in that situation isn't exactly feasible because you have a limited amount of larva. He could have built more hatcheries but him being gas starved makes it a moot point. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
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