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This thread is about psychology or philosophy or whatever foots the bill.
Id like you to read a series of sentences and see what feedback you have.
They are poorly constructed but should get the point across to someone or other.
Thanks.
1. By being rational, more perceptive, aware, thoughtful, introspective, you are able to increasingly forward your own wellbeing and mind. You do this by flexing the metaphorical muscle that is, what i label, your "state 1" of two states of being. the state of being aware and thoughtful of everything around and yourself. (think "ego")
2. You also do this by understanding and reducing your emotions and automatic responses, your unthinking and spontaenious self, unconscious self, what i call a persons "state 2" of their two states of being. (think "ID"+"superego")
3. When people collectively realise this, they can work together and eventually form an ultimate unification of perfect beings at peace.
4. This is perhaps "nirvana" or "heaven".
5. Every body within it has assumed an identicle identity. They all agree and there is no emotion or confusion to mar their "state 1" mind. The "state 2" of being has been evaporated, left behind.
6. This one unified entity must have personality traits
7. (for you to think of)
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we kinda have travis for this sort of things already. Thx though.
Edit: Fair enough, gl with your thread. Id leave some answers but I don't feel like engaging in a discussion about those stuff so that wont be at all helpful.
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On November 07 2008 14:51 XCetron wrote:
we kinda have travis for this sort of things already. Thx though.
I think he's being honest and he is putting forth some effort. Also he's a friend of travis and so maybe you should answer his fucking post or GTFO thanks though fag.
My feedback for you kefka, is that there aren't really two states like you say, but that you are describing a real thing people can do, a kind of movement of the mind, that truly seems valuable once you have done it. And you are also suggesting everyone do this.
My main feedback though is that you have to be more aggressive in your post. There's no solid suggestion or question, just an observation. What's the best way for us to achieve what you call "state 1" on a long term basis? Is this a purification of our lives, etc.? I want to hear more about how to do this. In my experience I fall back into habits I should know I don't care about, but that must mean that in some way I do care about them--or is it more complicated? I think this is why I don't agree with your state 1/state 2 description. It's too ideal, too perfectionist. I think we learn behaviors that are "state 1"-y, and some that are obstacles. It's more fluid, not whether we are in 1 or 2.
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im too exhausted to fully comprehend but there are various ways to look at this ("Games People Play" and freud ego thing, as i updated my op with)
read "the celestine prophecy experimental guide" and it explains it from your perspective (i had to work backwards).
to begin with it obsesses with "coincidences", how strange they seem yet frequent. then it teaches that coincidences "happen for a reason". this sounds all nonsense mystical to me at first, then you realise the only point he's making is that if you stop to think about sometime, analyse it, you can discover a world of truth behind it, which leads to further psychological concepts.
i think he uses coincidence as a starting point because coincidences are just "items of interest" that stand out and CAN be analysed in an interesting fashion. infact, every single thing that you can observe can have an immense amount of meaning, theory etc behind it.
this sounds obvious, but until you really start to think about things, perhaps "items of interest", you don't notice how much analytical thought can bring you. and when you do start to realise, you realise you're becoming an explorer in a hugely complex and dynamic world.
the increasing number of things you notice, and your growing ability to analyse them, can bring so much to your life.
have you ever considered that your coworker asked you to finish off a job that they could/should have done? (something trivial like bringing a client a cup of tea they had just made). why did they do that? how is their ego (or preferably "state 1") thinking? is it a habit? do they only do it to you? how can you learn from it? do they target you specifically? if so, what can you learn about yourself? what can you learn about that other person? where did they learn this trait from? who is their rolemodel? was it a conscious decision on their behalf or has it become a habit? what other devious traits such as this do people around you, or yourself, engage in?
you start linking things together. you start wondering a whole lot more. you pay more attention. perhaps you use the information to your advantage.
but it doesn't end here. you notice emotions in other people, you notice how other people make the wrong choices. how they are emotional, or how they "slip" into their reactionary, automatic state of mind. you notice fawlts in others and in yourself, and you can begin to learn from them, link them together, to change many aspects of your being.
this might help to clarify between what i label "state 1" and "state 2", how the introspective "state 1" is like a flexing muscle that we need to practice with lest we slip back into our base "state 2" and become emotional, habitual and unthinking.
you might be afraid when you look around you and suddenly notice just how differently people think to one another. is she using her brain? why is she making different decisions to me? which one of us is the more rational? is she flexing her "state 1" or is she in the laziness of "state 2"? how can i know???
you might get courage from this curiosity, allowing you to confront people (coworkers good example) more readily on their actions, conflicts, point out that they are being emotional and YET be COMFORTABLE pointing this out to them because it is simply a rational observation you are throwing out for discussion and that you are an adventurer on the path to enlightenment.
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btw what i actually wanted to discuss / see ideas about was points .6 and .7 in my list
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Up to point 5 sounds like the human instrumentality project.
6. doesn't seem to follow from .5, why must something you can't really understand abide by your logical rules and deductions?
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On November 07 2008 15:44 Suggestion Box wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 14:51 XCetron wrote:
we kinda have travis for this sort of things already. Thx though. I think he's being honest and he is putting forth some effort. Also he's a friend of travis and so maybe you should answer his fucking post or GTFO thanks though fag. My feedback for you kefka, is that there aren't really two states like you say, but that you are describing a real thing people can do, a kind of movement of the mind, that truly seems valuable once you have done it. And you are also suggesting everyone do this. My main feedback though is that you have to be more aggressive in your post. There's no solid suggestion or question, just an observation. What's the best way for us to achieve what you call "state 1" on a long term basis? Is this a purification of our lives, etc.? I want to hear more about how to do this. In my experience I fall back into habits I should know I don't care about, but that must mean that in some way I do care about them--or is it more complicated? I think this is why I don't agree with your state 1/state 2 description. It's too ideal, too perfectionist. I think we learn behaviors that are "state 1"-y, and some that are obstacles. It's more fluid, not whether we are in 1 or 2.
lol maybe i shud have read your post a teeny bit more. i think there are lots of varying "explainations" for /extrapolations of this "state" thing. "Games People Play" describes a sort of "state 1" being "Adult Mindset" and contrasts this to a sort of "state 2" combination of "Child Mindset" and "Parental Mindset". adult being the rational overseer of a controlling emotional nature and a childish nature which are (it is suggested) the common 2 ways that emotional , automated, lazy (state2) beings interact. and it looks like it's basically Ego/Superego/ID concept.
the 2states concept became extremely vivid to me when i was able to see it in motion and began to question what i was experiencing. seems like a decent simplification/foundation, for me, for now
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someone a while ago had some questions about nirvana and buddhism in general. a friend of mine has been a buddhist for quite some time, so i asked him to come to this thread to answer some questions
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On November 07 2008 18:20 Nytefish wrote:
Up to point 5 sounds like the human instrumentality project.
6. doesn't seem to follow from .5, why must something you can't really understand abide by your logical rules and deductions?
maybe i should have put IOI next to 6. instead of opening a 7th for this
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You cannot practice your intelligence. Our capability to understand is born with you and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change that. If "nirvana" means understanding the world around you and you happen to not be born intelligent, then the best thing you can do is not have kids so they don't have the same fate as you.
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On November 08 2008 05:04 VIB wrote:
You cannot practice your intelligence.
luckily it is not about intelligence
Our capability to understand is born with you and there is absolutely nothing you can do to change that.
could you explain what you mean by this?
the structure of the human brain changes throughout the entirety of one's life
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tika tbh your posts on this are a little hard to understand and respond to. i say this not just for myself and other readers, but more for you. i think if you tried to make your post clearer you would answer yourself somewhat, and get better responses plus. so again, i ask you, what's your main question or claim?
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it looks like an ant colony
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On November 08 2008 07:19 Suggestion Box wrote:
tika tbh your posts on this are a little hard to understand and respond to. i say this not just for myself and other readers, but more for you. i think if you tried to make your post clearer you would answer yourself somewhat, and get better responses plus. so again, i ask you, what's your main question or claim?
QFT - Especially in the love thread. ESPECIALLY with regard to your premise for considering yourself a deep-thinker / high-level thinker. Is english your first language tika?
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