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[Q] Do Ensare / Acid Spore stack?

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Metaspace
Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-06 12:25:55
August 04 2008 16:41 GMT
#1
Does anyone know whether Queen's Ensnare and Devourer's Acid Spore effect on attack rate stack, i.e., have a combined effect?

I.e., will air units fire at a slower rate if they suffer both effects?

(For those that do not know: Queens will slow, besides movement rate, the rate of fire depending on unit type; it is believed that it slows the attack animation, i.e., units that have a shorter anmiation will be slowed less than other units; and there are other exceptions.)

Inspired by this thread: http://tsunamisstrategyforum.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/469

(Ensarre experiment details me also be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41799#15)


ANSWER: Yes, they do stack. I.e., a unit which has been target of a Devourer and an Ensnare will fire slower than with only one effect on it. The exact reduction is unclear, but it has been posted that acid spores reduce attack rate for about 50%, while Ensnare may generally be around 15%.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 04 2008 16:45 GMT
#2
I'm not sure if ensnare stacks (because I don't use queens that much :O ), but when things have acid spores on them, it says acid spores (8) or something, so I think that matters? (Maybe the slow doesn't stack, but the damage does? I'm not really sure.)
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ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
August 04 2008 16:47 GMT
#3
Every effect stacks in SC.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
August 04 2008 17:00 GMT
#4
More Acid Spores cause slower attack rate, not sure about the queen so I'm not going to say anything
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 04 2008 17:09 GMT
#5
lool more ensnares dont do anything other than refreshing the duration of the ensnare
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noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-04 17:20:39
August 04 2008 17:18 GMT
#6
I don't think any of you read the question properly (except ForAdun if he's right), I think he's asking if both of them on the same unit at the same time stacks...

edit: I'm pretty sure they do stack but not 100% positive.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-04 17:20:30
August 04 2008 17:19 GMT
#7
I don't think the responses so far understand your question. lol

I'm not really a great zerg user though but I am pretty sure that they do stack.

ah noobienoob and I were posting at about the same time.

illeszt
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States350 Posts
August 04 2008 17:22 GMT
#8
Ensnare does NOT stack.
Acid spores DO stack.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
August 04 2008 17:26 GMT
#9
Thats not what hes talking about. He isn't talking about the spells individually. He is talking about when you are combining them together.

Like if you have a wraith with devourer spores, and a queen ensnares it, will it feel the effects of BOTH the spores AND the ensnare.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
August 04 2008 17:27 GMT
#10
On August 05 2008 02:22 illeszt wrote:
Ensnare does NOT stack.
Acid spores DO stack.


Wrong answer...

He is asking if you have both ensnare and acid spore[s] on a unit, will both work at the same time(stack?) making it even slower..

Is that what he is asking?
w/e
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
August 04 2008 17:27 GMT
#11
Yeah, thats what he is asking. noobienoob and I are both like 90% sure that they do stack.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
August 04 2008 17:30 GMT
#12
I just made a UMS map to test it. 1 sec.
SteelString
Profile Joined July 2006
446 Posts
August 04 2008 17:32 GMT
#13
They do stack together, 90% sure
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
August 04 2008 17:38 GMT
#14
OK. I just finished testing it. Yeah they do stack.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
August 04 2008 17:44 GMT
#15
gj SnowFantasy
w/e
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
August 04 2008 18:53 GMT
#16
all spells stack

plague + ensnare + acid spores ftw
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CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
August 04 2008 18:54 GMT
#17
god imagine you're flying around with 200/200 mutas and someone ensnare/plagues you army and kills all of them with 12 mutas

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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
August 04 2008 19:00 GMT
#18
Too bad most of my fellow zergasaur users are too afraid to use queens
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Zerg_Sasuke
Profile Joined June 2008
176 Posts
August 04 2008 19:31 GMT
#19
I read somewhere that Esnare slows atack rate by 20 % . Devourer acid spores add damage , amount in ( ) , ie (9) = unit dmg + 9 dmg , also decreases speed dramaticaly with fire rate as well.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
August 04 2008 20:28 GMT
#20
On August 05 2008 04:31 Zerg_Sasuke wrote:
I read somewhere that Esnare slows atack rate by 20 % . Devourer acid spores add damage , amount in ( ) , ie (9) = unit dmg + 9 dmg , also decreases speed dramaticaly with fire rate as well.

The rate that ensnare affects attack rate is unit dependent. (Some units are not even affected!)
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