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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-03 03:53:52
August 03 2008 03:52 GMT
#1
Point of Emphasis: Game 2 between Paranoid and his fellow countrymen Dreiven from WGTCL.

Dreiven has a fucking solid PvZ. I have played him numerous times and I always seem to gain some kind of advantage that should shut him out and give me the win. He however has this ability to say "no" to us silly zergs and our advantage gaining ways.. he falls behind here but only briefly. He is truly a zerg sniper. Watch this man in action.

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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
August 03 2008 04:20 GMT
#2
dreiven seems so invincible while playing pvz
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
August 03 2008 04:44 GMT
#3
He was able maximize mileage out of his armies, that's for sure. No wonder Dreiven was able to snipe Mondi.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
August 03 2008 05:04 GMT
#4
I like the short intros you give on the reps now inc <3
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 03 2008 07:31 GMT
#5
what hes always been doing that; i think ?
anyways yay <3 inc ; im starting to get used to having replays to watch from tl now D:
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ygor
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Slovakia246 Posts
August 03 2008 09:07 GMT
#6
Would swarm make a difference? He had a lot of goons in the army, that made a difference. I thought, that handling swarm is not an APM/time issue on the level, so was that a tactical decision or did he forgot or was he simply not able to handle it?

I am a P player and I would really like to know, how I can force zerg not to throw swarms in late game
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
August 03 2008 11:17 GMT
#7
well it would have helped if paranoid bothered to micro his units as opposed to sending them in single file directly towards dreiven's whole force.
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4514 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-03 16:10:07
August 03 2008 16:08 GMT
#8
On August 03 2008 18:07 ygor wrote:
Would swarm make a difference? He had a lot of goons in the army, that made a difference. I thought, that handling swarm is not an APM/time issue on the level, so was that a tactical decision or did he forgot or was he simply not able to handle it?

I am a P player and I would really like to know, how I can force zerg not to throw swarms in late game


i think having to use swarm/keeping track of defilers is an issue no matter what APM or skill level you're at, he probably thought he could by without going trough the trouble

even Jaedong probably finds it hard & annoying at times!
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-03 16:54:35
August 03 2008 16:52 GMT
#9
On August 04 2008 01:08 ret wrote:
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On August 03 2008 18:07 ygor wrote:
Would swarm make a difference? He had a lot of goons in the army, that made a difference. I thought, that handling swarm is not an APM/time issue on the level, so was that a tactical decision or did he forgot or was he simply not able to handle it?

I am a P player and I would really like to know, how I can force zerg not to throw swarms in late game


i think having to use swarm/keeping track of defilers is an issue no matter what APM or skill level you're at, he probably thought he could by without going trough the trouble

even Jaedong probably finds it hard & annoying at times!


Yeah he mostly uses it for plague i find it very effective vs protoss but if you are not up vs some gosu such as Dreiven Ultras and lings gets the job done with a simple flank .
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
August 03 2008 17:35 GMT
#10
On August 03 2008 18:07 ygor wrote:
I am a P player and I would really like to know, how I can force zerg not to throw swarms in late game


Make reavers. Or, make DA's and feedback the defilers. But reavers generally work better. If he does cast a swarm, it just means those ultra/lings/etc are going to bunch up nicely for the scarabs.

Dreiven's PvZ is awesome; can't wait to watch this one. Thanks for all the sweet reps recently inc.
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
August 03 2008 20:34 GMT
#11
fucking downloading now. thanks!
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
August 04 2008 06:29 GMT
#12
lol he made that look somewhat easy..
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Acer.ParanOid
Profile Joined June 2007
Poland133 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-04 10:11:47
August 04 2008 10:11 GMT
#13
KrAzYfoOL ling speed would've helped too, sadly I did forget it ;p.
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nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
August 04 2008 17:25 GMT
#14
Oh damn para saviored it.
Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
August 04 2008 18:02 GMT
#15
forgetting the speed is understandable since you didnt need them in the beginning of game and usually people only upgrade them in the first 5 min haha btw grouping that crazy amount of lings is also something crazy for zerg players... its fking hard as you often usually have no idea direction will the toss attack from so its better to keep them in base first.. but honestly that amount of lings was too large
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
August 05 2008 08:01 GMT
#16
Drieven's game sense just blows me out of the water...

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