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TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 15:48 GMT
#1
when i woke up on 9 11 and saw the towers collapse, i immidetly got the feeling something was wrong. within 2 days, the government fed me a story about what had happened, and althuogh i initially accepted it, it didnt seem to make much sense. at the time i was already a somewhat of a "newsjunky", and after 9-11 my dedication to educating myself on current events grew. since 9-11 i have collected around 150-200 links of articles, web sites, etc.. about issues surrounding 9-11 and have for a long time been thinking about putting them altogether and writing a long peice on the issue. today i came across a very good summary of the issues, and figured it was no use doing work that has already been done. this article is a _summary_ and he gives his sources at the end. i have many other sources that i can offer if needed to back up the points in the article, along with other points not addressed. i dont wish to start another foolish rep vs dem debate, but only to shed light on an issue that i think most dont know abuot.
9-11 Summary

if anything seems a little far fetched, i will be glad to back everything up with multiple sources.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
CrAsH0_o
Profile Joined July 2003
United States186 Posts
August 31 2003 16:11 GMT
#2
the news is biased and skewed
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 16:12 GMT
#3
this is the reason why i posted. tell me what u think is biased and skewed.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 31 2003 16:41 GMT
#4
My intuition tells me, if their was an uprising in Iraq, and a mob killed a couple hundred soldiers, this guy would be extremely overjoyed because he would be able to blame the Bush administration.

Other than that I totally agree with him. I think the Bush administration was behind it 100%. I think they funded them and gave them the weapons to hijack the planes just so we can have an excuse to go to war. They knew what was going to happen and they let it happen on purpose so Bush would look like a hero.

P.S. let me know when I start sounding as stupid as that guy.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
August 31 2003 16:44 GMT
#5
You already passed him in stupidity.
why so 진지해?
StoneR
Profile Joined April 2003
Spain1252 Posts
August 31 2003 16:55 GMT
#6
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StoneR
Profile Joined April 2003
Spain1252 Posts
August 31 2003 16:57 GMT
#7
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pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
August 31 2003 17:05 GMT
#8
On September 01 2003 01:11 CrAsH0_o wrote:
the news is biased and skewed


if anything seems a little far fetched, i will be glad to back everything up with multiple sources.
SoLsiTO
Profile Joined April 2003
United States573 Posts
August 31 2003 17:06 GMT
#9
I just think Bush and his administration is too stupid and inept to put something together like 9/11 and or not stupid enough to actually put 9/11 into action against his own country. now if i could only say what i mean without contradicting myself
They fill the children full of hate to fight an old man's war and die upon the road to peace
StoneR
Profile Joined April 2003
Spain1252 Posts
August 31 2003 17:10 GMT
#10
yeah you are right solsito... i think in the same way. The first time you write stupid you mean "dumb, stupid, retarded" etc
whereas in the second you mean "BM, angry bitch, self-destructive lunatic"
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
August 31 2003 17:12 GMT
#11
um he could have done it easily. re-electoin 2004 gogo? --)
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 17:48 GMT
#12
going from point A(the official 9 11 story) to point B(what the evidence suggest) is a large jump of perception. i expect everybody to be skeptical of the issue at first. i am not some concpiracy theorist freak, but i have been reading about this issue as much as i can for 2 years now. it is a large issue, so the only way to really think abuot it effectivly is to break it down peice by peice. a good place to start, is with the "official story" of what happened on 9 11. once u begin to work your way through the facts, an enormous amount of things become clear that there is some wrong doing involved. the point of this is not necessarily to pass blaim, but relize that the situations needs to be looked further into, and that we have quite frankly been lied too. this realization opens a hole new set of questions.

blackjack, maybe u could actually argue against the points made in the summary. it is a fact that in the past our government has done some horrible things. things that are a matter of public record and can not be refuted. i ask you, when has our government changed? if in the past our government and its politicians were corrupt, and worked towards there own special interest with complete disregard to the people, at what point was the government "cleaned up" ? did all those corrupt politicians just go away? just get weeded out? u show me when our government was "purified" then maybe i will not be so skeptical.

stonerx, i understand your logic. but it seems you are under the impression that no body benifited from 9-11. the bush administration benefited from 9 11 politically and financially. after 9 11 he was doing amazingly well in the polls. but that is not the point. after 9-11 the bush administration was able to effectivly take away all of our civil liberties. they were able to increase spending on the military, something members have been talking about doing for years. there connections with coorporations could not be any closer. the very companies that they worked for(cheney still gets a check from halliburton) got multi billion dollar contracts to "Rebuild" iraq. isreal(many in the bush administration, and congress are zionist) had great benefits from 9-11. they now have some control in the middle east, through the USA. they now have a pipeline pumping oil directly from iraq to isreal. isreal can ride on the same "fighting terrorism" propaganda to further oppress the palestinians. isreal got an increase in there foriegn aid package. osama even benefited from this. is he caught, and feeling the consequences of a terrorist attack? no hes not. but, remember that one of the original reasons in which he began hating the US is becuase we had our soldeirs in saudi arabia, which he considers holy land. what is fairly underreported in the main stream media, is that a condition of the US using saudi land and air space for the gulf war II, is that after the war, the US would take all its troops out of saudi arabia. so in the end osama gets what he wants.

the idea that bush is just to stupid to pull this off, is something that i think is easy to digest. the guy is pretty damn stupid. but, this is not james bond movie. i am not trying to suggest that bush sat in a room and personally planned out the attacks. i dont really want to get into conclusions right now, but it is more realistic that isreal, members of the CIA, saudi arabia, and members of al queda, had worked this out, and bush just consciously turned his head. and lets not forget that bush is an idiot, but his administration is filled with failry smart people.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
bASesinAtOR
Profile Joined November 2002
Bhutan1295 Posts
August 31 2003 18:01 GMT
#13
like i have said in the past. bush was responsible for 9/11 :/
sike
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 18:09 GMT
#14
On September 01 2003 01:41 BlackJack wrote:
My intuition tells me, if their was an uprising in Iraq, and a mob killed a couple hundred soldiers, this guy would be extremely overjoyed because he would be able to blame the Bush administration.



you are a fool. i have friends in iraq. friend that are sitting in an extremely hot dessert that they know nothing about. surrounded by a culture they know nothing about. just waiting to get picked off by some sniper or step on a land mine.i care about the soldiers in iraq. bush does not. i say bring them home, before more die. bush says "bring'em on". we have sent 1000's of young americans over there, most of wich are in the military just becuase its the only way the can afford higher education in this country, to kill innocent iraqi's. to take a part in what history will most likely call the beginning of americas down fall. american soldiers are some are the most effected victims of the bush administration(not to mention he is cutting there pay, along with the veterans).
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
Shockey
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2615 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-08-31 18:17:54
August 31 2003 18:15 GMT
#15
[bm]
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-08-31 18:23:52
August 31 2003 18:23 GMT
#16
[in response to a deleted post]
this does matter. do u have a job? becuase before u even see your check, the governmet has already got your money, and is using it to kill innocent people. i have a wife and kids. i have a full time job and go to school off and on. i live the average american life style. but the great mistake of the average american is that as long as they dont see what is going on in the world, it does not matter. as long as it is not your house gettin torn down by a bull dozer. or your family that does not have water, becuase some foriegners just bombed the hell out of your country. how many american kids cant sleep at night becuase they here f 15's flying by and bombs going off. it does matter and WE CAN do something abuot it. but nothing can be done if we dont know anything abuot it. if you choose to remain ignorant to what is happening in the world, as your rights are stripped away, and people are dying in your name, that is fine by me, but how bout you pack your shit up and get the hell out of this country. becuase that attitude is exactly whats wrong with the world.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
SoLsiTO
Profile Joined April 2003
United States573 Posts
August 31 2003 18:47 GMT
#17
I agree Bush had some doing in 9/11, whether it was being aware of it and doing nothing to stop it or taking a key role in the planning of the attacks i do not know. the only reading/research i have done on the subject is Chomsky's 9/11 book and that was a while ago. However, if you are going to include israel, rather then saying israel please say the israeli government, my father is israeli and i took offense to the fact that you think israel benefited from 9/11. Perhaps the israeli government benefited from 9/11 but the israeli populace did not. Israel had "some control" in the middle east before 9/11 and if anything the acts by the Israeli government and the American government after 9/11 has done nothing but increase the amounts of hamas and other organizations attacks upon the israeli populace. A large amount of Israelis want peace with the Palestinians and do not support the actions of their government. Are you pro-coexestince or do you believe that the Jewish population should up and leave Israel? And if that is what you want, because that is what would happen if Israel was given back to the Plestinians and was turned back into Palestine and became a muslim state again, where would expect a population of people who have been persecuted for thousands of years to go? Why would they want to go to the US when the US doesnt want them and didnt want them in WW2, why would they go to any of the European countries who persecuted them during WW2 or turned them away? Perhaps you are pro coexestince, and for coexestince to happen two things among many need to happen, first the stupidity of the israeli government needs to stop (settlements, epression of palestinians, and pointless millitary operations) and secondly the palestinians need to stop the pointless attacks on israeli civilians.
They fill the children full of hate to fight an old man's war and die upon the road to peace
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
August 31 2003 18:51 GMT
#18
this article rasies valid points, to dismiss them is to choose ignorance
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MyztiC`Terran
Profile Joined August 2003
United States374 Posts
August 31 2003 18:54 GMT
#19
Seriously
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 18:59 GMT
#20
perhaps i should provide more information to the matter. becuase of the large topic, i will try to discuss one thing at a time.

point one of the article: we knew this was going to happen, and did not stop it.

after 9-11, bush said that there was no way we could have known that this was going to happen. but even directly after 9-11, it was known that there were warnings of this. there are many examples of this.

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building.
pentagon mass casualty exercise. models of plans hitting the pentagon.
the actually phoenix memo
image of WTC being targeted on government document
US pulls plug on muslim web sites just b4 9-11
egypt warns US of 9-11
1995 phillipines plot to crash planes into buildings
this list could go on..
and lets not forget that the WTC had already been attacked as mentioned in the 9-11 summary. the goal was to make one building collapse, and that would bring down the other. the idea that the bush administration just could not forsee this happening is rediculous. bush was "briefed" about a threat coming. all the hijackers had visas, and some were under watch by the cia. the government had all the information they needed to stop this, but they didnt.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
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