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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-08-31 22:57:48
August 31 2003 22:55 GMT
#41
"significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse."

Yes... that is usually what happens when millions of tons of steel crash to the ground...
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 22:55 GMT
#42
the problem does not just rely within bush. i dont think he played a specific part in planning the attacks. i do think he knew about them. i do think his administration "turned there heads" to what was happening. but the problem just did not start with bush. it goes much further back then that. the issue was already in place before bush even took office. bush simply allowed the situation to steam roll foward. so what would i do if i was president? i wouldnt take part in the corropt actions of our government, and i would work to clean things up. i would not have the cia orchestrating death squads in other countries, or overthrowing elected governments, or running a large drug trade. i would not have my father giving business speaches that are involved in our international conflicts. there is a much larger problem than just bush. bush is just the "front man". hes what people see so hes what gets the blaim. there is neglect here. whether it was intentional or not, whether or not bush knew, planned, or had no clue abou 9-11, the US government failed us. there was ample structure and information to stop this. when doctors srew up on the job, they are held acountable. when pilots, teachers, cooks, and the average joe working in a cubicle neglect to do there jobs, they are held accountable. all i am saying is that the bush administration, and the intelligence community is guilty of neglect, and they need to be held accountable, and the truth about the situation needs to be told to the people.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 31 2003 23:03 GMT
#43
Lol. Should they be held accountable for the prisoners behind bars in Cuba? Or for detaining the "20th" hijacker? Or for all the people on that deck of terrorist cards that they track down? They can't stop everything. They aren't perfect. It isn't their fault. Get over it.
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 23:06 GMT
#44
Funny, you provide two links that contradict each other. good work.

notice one is when the towers are standing, and one is after they crashed. and the idea that they were not melted standing, but melted on the ground, only strengthens my point that something else could have been involved. the seismic spikes were seconds before they hit the ground. the towers stood for for much longer than that, closer to an hour.. long after the planes hit regardless.
the pics are to show the lack of damage within a close proximity of ground zero. showing that the towers collapsed in the least damaging way possible, hence a controlled collapse. and... further think, why on flights that could hold 100's of people, there were carrying in the 40's 50's? have u ever been on a plane? i assure u this does not happen. and.. considering that something like 50 000 people worked in a tower, and only a "little" over 3000 died altogether, wouldnt it make more sence for them to attack a few hours later when the towers would have been full? after all, the bush administratino tries to paint the picture that these are savages that hate america and want to do the maximum amount of damage. i further add something to the topic..
FBI admitts no specific evidence linking hihackers to planes
autopsy report: no arabs on flight 77
6 of the "hijackers" are alive and well
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 23:08 GMT
#45
On September 01 2003 08:03 BlackJack wrote:
Lol. Should they be held accountable for the prisoners behind bars in Cuba? Or for detaining the "20th" hijacker? Or for all the people on that deck of terrorist cards that they track down? They can't stop everything. They aren't perfect. It isn't their fault. Get over it.

cuba? u mean the concentration camp where they hold teenagers?the place that is against the geneva conventions? the place where us soldeirs have an increasing suicide rate? 20th hijacker? according to?
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 31 2003 23:11 GMT
#46
"FBI admitts no specific evidence linking hihackers to planes"

The cell phone calls on flight 4 contradict this. People have said that a group of muslim men hijacked the plane and were going to crash it into a buildings. Do you think it is a coincidence that 3 other planes were hijacked that day and there were muslim's on board?

"autopsy report: no arabs on flight 77"

What does an autopsy report prove? Airports know who is on the plane because they turn in their ticket and hop on board. I really don't think they could have found any bodies to do an autopsy on anyway..

And about their being only 40 or 50 people on the plane.. So what? That has nothing to do with anything. I really don't understand what you are trying to say... Are you trying to say that our government chose planes with minimal passengers and told the pilots to crash them into the WTC?

Use a little logic please.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 31 2003 23:12 GMT
#47
On September 01 2003 08:08 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2003 08:03 BlackJack wrote:
Lol. Should they be held accountable for the prisoners behind bars in Cuba? Or for detaining the "20th" hijacker? Or for all the people on that deck of terrorist cards that they track down? They can't stop everything. They aren't perfect. It isn't their fault. Get over it.

cuba? u mean the concentration camp where they hold teenagers?the place that is against the geneva conventions? the place where us soldeirs have an increasing suicide rate? 20th hijacker? according to?


I am sorry to inform you of this.. but the NYTimes is more reliable than www.UScrusades.com
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 31 2003 23:17 GMT
#48
because no arab names were on the Airline list of people who were on the plane, means that they either sneaked onto the planes or that there were no arabs at all?

I guess we are ruling out the possibility of a fake ID?
Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
August 31 2003 23:20 GMT
#49
This is a pretty interesting thread. I wish I knew more about 9/11, but I don't watch much news so I can't really get in the middle of this as much as I'd like to :[

All I know is the morning of September 11th, I was in class and my teacher had gotten an e-mail about something with the WTC, maybe it was on fire or something like that, nothing big. But then they said something else happened, and we were allowed to turn on the tv and watch. They showed the plane hitting, and immediately I knew that wasn't an accident, it was part of something bigger. Moments later the 2nd plane hit, confirming what I had been thinking. Throughout the day more happened, and I'm sure you all know the story. But what I felt that day, was something terribly wrong and corrupt. I have nothing to base any facts or opinions on, I don't even have any real ideas, but I do know that something was corrupt. I trust my feelings on that.

Mad props to Psylo for argueing his opinion and backing them up so well when many people clearly think he's wrong.
We cant give up just because things arent the way we want them to be.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 31 2003 23:22 GMT
#50
On September 01 2003 08:06 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
Show nested quote +
Funny, you provide two links that contradict each other. good work.

notice one is when the towers are standing, and one is after they crashed. and the idea that they were not melted standing, but melted on the ground, only strengthens my point that something else could have been involved.


the first link says that the planes COULD NOT HAVE MELTED the steel.

So... what did? Earthquakes? Did they shake it so hard that the molecules just liqufied? Your credibility is gone. I am off to sleep. Good night.

TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 23:24 GMT
#51
The cell phone calls on flight 4 contradict this. People have said that a group of muslim men hijacked the plane and were going to crash it into a buildings. Do you think it is a coincidence that 3 other planes were hijacked that day and there were muslim's on board?


project achilles
cell phone test

I guess we are ruling out the possibility of a fake ID?

that is my point. we go to war with an arab country, becuase supposedly arabs hi jacked our planes, but we really dont know who the hell did it.

I am sorry to inform you of this.. but the NYTimes is more reliable than www.UScrusades.com

if u want a link to a main stream media source about an issue, i will attempt to give it to u. ironcilly, "crusades" is exactly what bush called the war vs an arab country...
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
August 31 2003 23:26 GMT
#52
the first link says that the planes COULD NOT HAVE MELTED the steel.

So... what did? Earthquakes? Did they shake it so hard that the molecules just liqufied? Your credibility is gone. I am off to sleep. Good night.

your not to quick to catch on... man.. almost made me giggle
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-08-31 23:38:00
August 31 2003 23:35 GMT
#53
does anyone honestly think that 4 planes, taken off from completly differant cities, going in completly differant directions, piloted by inexperienced pilots, can hit the WTC within a small time frame, virtually at the same heigth, and then the pentagon? seems far fetched to me.

the president might not have ever thought that planes could hit the buildings, but fox sure did.
fox tv pilot. eeerie...
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 31 2003 23:57 GMT
#54
On September 01 2003 08:35 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
does anyone honestly think that 4 planes, taken off from completly differant cities, going in completly differant directions, piloted by inexperienced pilots, can hit the WTC within a small time frame, virtually at the same heigth, and then the pentagon? seems far fetched to me.


Doesn't seem far fetched to me at all. Can you explain why it should?
iGgs
Profile Joined April 2003
Russian Federation772 Posts
September 01 2003 00:08 GMT
#55
On September 01 2003 08:06 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
Show nested quote +
Funny, you provide two links that contradict each other. good work.

notice one is when the towers are standing, and one is after they crashed. and the idea that they were not melted standing, but melted on the ground, only strengthens my point that something else could have been involved. the seismic spikes were seconds before they hit the ground. the towers stood for for much longer than that, closer to an hour.. long after the planes hit regardless.
the pics are to show the lack of damage within a close proximity of ground zero. showing that the towers collapsed in the least damaging way possible, hence a controlled collapse. and... further think, why on flights that could hold 100's of people, there were carrying in the 40's 50's? have u ever been on a plane? i assure u this does not happen. and.. considering that something like 50 000 people worked in a tower, and only a "little" over 3000 died altogether, wouldnt it make more sence for them to attack a few hours later when the towers would have been full? after all, the bush administratino tries to paint the picture that these are savages that hate america and want to do the maximum amount of damage. i further add something to the topic..
FBI admitts no specific evidence linking hihackers to planes
autopsy report: no arabs on flight 77
6 of the "hijackers" are alive and well


1) the planes held 40-50 people because hijacking a fucking jumbo jet with 300 people is more difficult to pull off and not get raped by the passengers / get raped in general.
2) it was a "controlled" collapse because the towers imploded upon the pressure which they could not support due to fucked up structure, and yes the heat did play a role in the collapse regardless of what your bullshit theories say
3) "and the idea that they were not melted standing, but melted on the ground, only strengthens my point that something else could have been involved." -makes no fucking sense, how would you know if they were not melted standing, they were in the process of being melted, hence why they collapsed.. what the hell are you even saying
4) "the seismic spikes were seconds before they hit the ground. "
-what are you implying here? that we set off bombs? i dont even know what you are talking about / what this has to do with anything. dont you think that if that was the case , its JUST as likely if not more likely that two f'ing planes flying into skyscrapers followed by massive explosions due to fuel conflictions would incur the seismic waves? i think so!
5) you are a fucking idiot
iGgs
Profile Joined April 2003
Russian Federation772 Posts
September 01 2003 00:18 GMT
#56
hi my name is propoganda. after 9/11 there was a lot of me flowing throughout the internet, so much so that a bunch of 18-40 year old people picked up on me, and from there on decided to base THEIR own bullshit theories on MY non-reliable and inconclusive conspiracy theories. Pretty soon because of me, we had a bunch of unqualified fools mass spreading me throughout the world wide web because their lives did not suffice without a little controversy!
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
September 01 2003 00:18 GMT
#57
Well the NORAD thing got me.

So yes, they could have stopped it. They had the chance to, because they had prior warning that it might happen. So if all these sources were saying a plane might hit the WTC on 9/11, I think NORAD would have been more alert than ever. And they even had a plan to stop this.

So why didn't they?

Maybe they just screwed up... I guess we might never know... or maybe not...
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 01 2003 00:24 GMT
#58
i think iggs' bitterness towards life is slowly making him less stupid.

He's not quite there, yet, but he is getting closer.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
September 01 2003 00:24 GMT
#59
1) the planes held 40-50 people because hijacking a fucking jumbo jet with 300 people is more difficult to pull off and not get raped by the passengers / get raped in general.

And they happened to know the fact that these planes would have 40-50 long before they did it right? I mean if they wanted a plane with 40-50, wouln't it be easier to get a plane with about that much max?

its JUST as likely if not more likely that two f'ing planes flying into skyscrapers followed by massive explosions due to fuel
Uhh, the planes hit the towers. Then it was a LONG TIME later that the towers fell. And the waves were seconds before the fall.

hi my name is propoganda. after 9/11 there was a lot of me flowing throughout the internet, so much so that a bunch of 18-40 year old people picked up on me, and from there on decided to base THEIR own bullshit theories on MY non-reliable and inconclusive conspiracy theories. Pretty soon because of me, we had a bunch of unqualified fools mass spreading me throughout the world wide web because their lives did not suffice without a little controversy!

And I also have people backing up my "propoganda" even though they just now admitted it was propoganda.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7694 Posts
September 01 2003 01:19 GMT
#60
If that cellphone test is legitimate[sp] then that realy says something.

But it wasn't presented professionaly and I saw no hard proof and alot of subjective interpitations, which I guess all are, but biased interpitations.

Psylo, keep posting, I read everything your writing, and try and check out all the links ect ... Not because of am eager to belive or even willing, but because you are doing a fucking good job of presenting your idea's, backing them up, and supporting them in the face of stupidity.....

blackhack = stupidity [p.s if you win this debate on any grounds I will give you some lessons]
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