EPTthe palistinian issue can be a completely seperate debate and i dont want to side track from 9-11, but i will just say that nothing positive can happen with both the isreali and palesitians authorites involved in the situation, for both only care about there special interest and not the people.
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
the palistinian issue can be a completely seperate debate and i dont want to side track from 9-11, but i will just say that nothing positive can happen with both the isreali and palesitians authorites involved in the situation, for both only care about there special interest and not the people. | ||
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Bleww
United States1080 Posts
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SoLsiTO
United States573 Posts
 and bleww if you dont think that Bush having prior knowledge to 9/11 and not doing anything to stop it is something not to care about then... i dunno what to say  | ||
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Veg
Canada2945 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Bleww
United States1080 Posts
9/11 was terrible, no doubt about that. But bitching and moaning and blaming Bush when none of the "evidence" is VIABLE isn't going to bring any of those people back. | ||
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Micron
United States208 Posts
On September 01 2003 05:56 Veg wrote: .... ok so u dont mind being completely lied to by the people who are suppose to keep order and justice for 300+ million living people in your country? i really doubt u would say this if u had lost yur mother, father or brother in one of the planes or in the towers and a fellow AMerican, who is ROAMING freely, was to blame (bush) well no matter what we say there is still no way to stop him. i doubt that the american people as a whole would ever believe this enough to do anything. the goverment does a good job keeping any hope of change dead in the states | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
i'm sorry but who the fuck cares, this thread is stupid. u think its over? u think that the agenda set forth by a small number of elitest is done? mission acomplished? how many innocent people need to die before u stop being a jack ass? in continuation of my post about the governments forknowledge of 9-11(i can give more info on that if wished), i think it what actualyl happend during the "attacks", is probably some of the most damning evidence that there was domestic foul play involved. NORAD is a part of the air force. they are responsible for protecting the american skyline. if a missile, unmarked plan, anything enters american air space, it is norads job to protect us. here is norads website: NORAD on 9-11 there were 7 norad station on full alert, and 28 more within range of the 4 planes: "F-16s and other fighter planes would have overtaken every single hijacked plane on September 11, before they had reached their targets" stations within range NORAD has specific intercept procedures, for exactly the type of events that happened on 9-11. procedures planes were not launched into the air until 34 minutes after the first plane was known to be hijacked. why didnt NORAD do there job? why did the planes stand down ? in the one time that our country really needs norad, they fail. coincidence? there was an obvious failure. you would think in such a situation, that this would be investigated. that someone would be held accountable. oddly enough the the chief of staff for norad at the time, has been promoted. General Blum promoted Lieutenant General H Steven Blum the evidence suggest, that there was a definite stand down. and the stand down was rewarded. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
On September 01 2003 06:58 travis wrote: citizens of the united states choose whether or not they want to serve in the millitary, psylo. this is all i understand what u are saying, but they did not volunteer to fight for bush's special interest, they volunteered to fight for america. they are not fighting for america, or its freedom. | ||
mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
I personally doubt claims that anyone so high up as Bush had an actual hand in the deliberate planning and EXECUTION of the WTC/Pentagon plots. Altho anything's possible (Gulf of Tomkin Incident, anyone?), plausible deniability is a mantra practiced by almost all sitting Presidents. Bush's judgment may be clouded, but he's no fool. But, I will say this: I remember both Time Magazine and Newsweek describing the 9-11 tragedy as a failure in the intelligence community: they messed up royally by 1) not predicting the WTC/Pentagon scenario and not preparing for such a contingency to begin with and 2) not doing anything to prevent the actual strikes. This sounded ludicrous beyond belief. The modern US "intelligence community" is an operation that requires billions of dollars in funds every year. It has at its disposal even further billions of dollars worth of the highest-tech equipment imaginable - spy satellites that can pick out from orbit whether a guy's shaved or not that particular morning, eavesdropping equipment of all kinds that cut through most types of encryption like hot knife through butter, surveillance infrastructures that criss-cross the globe and well-paid informants whose existence (and wealth) are defined by the quantity and quality of the info they provide their masters in Washington. The US intelligence agencies also enjoy the cooperation of other, almost equally well-heeled intelligence agencies from the various governments around the world that are friendly to the US (ie those governments that receive "foreign aid" - you didn't think the US would GIVE AWAY its wealth for just humanitarian reasons did you? Even while it lets its own citizens starve on the streets? Puh-leeze.). And the agencies carry out their operations under a cloak of secrecy, super-legal authority (let's not kid ourselves that the CIA, FBI and the NSA are scrupulous about always obeying the law - given their task, they can't afford to) and a hair-trigger policy whereby actions are often taken based on nothing more than a hunch. And they missed the greatest terrorist plot in modern history? These are the same guys who nab the poor beggar-turned-would-be-terrorist off the streets of Egypt for plotting to use a pipe-bomb on the US Embassy - AND THEY MISS 9-11?! Please, if you are open-minded and in possession of any education at all, this should raise some suspicions. I'm not saying this is the way things "really" went down because how the hell should I know? How the hell should anyone in this forum know? YOU DON'T. But, it seems to me there's a lot of denial going on by young, uneducated minds who still cling to the fairy-tale version of Politics the American Way. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 01 2003 03:09 TeCh)PsylO wrote: you are a fool. i have friends in iraq. friend that are sitting in an extremely hot dessert that they know nothing about. surrounded by a culture they know nothing about. just waiting to get picked off by some sniper or step on a land mine.i care about the soldiers in iraq. bush does not. i say bring them home, before more die. bush says "bring'em on". we have sent 1000's of young americans over there, most of wich are in the military just becuase its the only way the can afford higher education in this country, to kill innocent iraqi's. to take a part in what history will most likely call the beginning of americas down fall. american soldiers are some are the most effected victims of the bush administration(not to mention he is cutting there pay, along with the veterans). i was talking about the guy who wrote the article. not the idiot who is representing him. | ||
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badteeth
Netherlands1416 Posts
On September 01 2003 03:51 HovZ wrote: this article rasies valid points, to dismiss them is to choose ignorance wich is so easy to choose. Havent heard any factual rebuttals yet. | ||
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HovZ
United States1917 Posts
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HovZ
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
do the math basicly, the fuel could not have gotten hot enough to melt the steel. Steel did not play roll in collapse what i am hinting at here, is that there is a science to destroying a building. buildings must be destroyed, and it must be a _controlled demolition_. were the WTC towers a controlled demolotion? well, the "official story", is a lie, the steal could not have melted, and did not play a roll in the collapse. there were seismic spikes right before the WTC collapsed. seismic spikes these spikes are 20x as strong as the actual towers collapsing. further suggesting that there was something else involved in the collapse. there are also witnesses that say that they heard explosions, including fireman on the scene, who were filmed saying that it looked like an explosion. witness reports fireman reports photos taken in restricted areas, after 9-11, also suggest a controlled collapse. pics of ground zero notice the signes, air conditionoers, plants, all in perfect condition, and only a block away from ground zero. for a good summary, and some video: summary WTC7 FEMA report i sugest people watch the towers collapse several times, in slow motion, back and forth. there are several things that happen that do not agree with what u would expect if the towers were falling freely. even looking at pictures u can tell that most of the fuel was burned up on impact, hence the large explosions coming out of the building. for a more detailed look at the evidence, go here: serendipity | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
His sources weren't exactly the times or the washington post. He cited CNN which basically said that in 1995 some people came up with a plot of crashing some planes into buildings.. Wow, that is undisputable evidence. They caught the people. Should we spend billions of dollars to reform airport security "just in case" somebody tried it again? I am sure that our government is aware of lots of things that terrorists can do. Car bombs.. Suicide bombings.. Use chemcial weapons.. and if any of these did happen, would you say "our government knew this could happen, they must have been in on it" I am pretty damn sure that our government knew that somebody could hijack a plane and crash it into a building, but what did you want them to do about it? Here is a question for you psylo, if you were Bush, what would you have done different the weeks before 9/11 only using the "accurate" information you have provided and not knowing that 9/11 would happen. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
And his site that proved the steel COULD NOT HAVE MELTED is called uscrusades.com. I'm sorry but when you name a site after an event where millions of people were slaughtered I am inclined to ignore it. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
I have no fucking clue how that is relevent. I really hope he isn't basing his opinions on stuff like this. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
Part of his post: "do the math basicly, the fuel could not have gotten hot enough to melt the steel. Steel did not play roll in collapse" Than click on the link that says Seismic spikes and you will find this quote: "American Free Press has learned of pools of "molten steel" found at the base of the collapsed twin towers weeks after the collapse." Funny, you provide two links that contradict each other. good work. lemme guess, the first link is right about the steal not melting and the second link is only right about the seismic spikes? Or did you chooese not to read that quote in the second link in fear that it might not be a massive conspiracy and your life would be wasted? | ||
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