EPTOn September 01 2003 18:22 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
Uhh.... boy, I guess that whole thing in AFGHANISTAN never happened...
Uhh.... boy, I guess that whole thing in AFGHANISTAN never happened...
lolll yeah that really was fighting terrorism...
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
lolll yeah that really was fighting terrorism... | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 01 2003 17:51 TeCh)PsylO wrote: i i agree, but i have watched the towers collpase atleats 100 times, and im confident without a doubt that they did not fall naturally. RoFL that was just too funny. I think just about everybody who doesn't live in a cave has seen the towers fall at least 100 times. Probably 50 or so on the morning of 9/11 alone. It is funny how you are convinced that they didn't fall naturally. OF COURSE THEY DIDNT FALL NATURALLY. THEY COLLAPSED FROM BEING RUN INTO BY A HUGE FUCKING PLANE. Good thing you were able to spot this out and the thousands of licensed engineers missed it.. Or else we wouldn't be debating | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:36 Kobayashi wrote: lolll yeah that really was fighting terrorism... Yeah, I guess the Special Forces guys I know who were over there were just dicking around and lied when they came home. Phew! | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:22 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Uhh.... boy, I guess that whole thing in AFGHANISTAN never happened... "Most of the hijackers were Saudis, as is Osama bin Laden, and the Saudi Arabian government is known to give financial support to terrorist organizations. Why is Iraq and not Saudi Arabia a target if the US government is concerned about terrorism?" this is actually a very good point and the same can be said for afghanistan. Fighting terrorism is not(as it never was before) an usa government priority. | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
Saudi Arabian government does not officially recognize terrorists. Have government members given support to terrorists? Likely. As for Iraq, it was a horrible regime of oppression, hated, and violence, which had sought WMD in the past, had used them (gassing of the Kurds), and has possible ties to terrorism. Oh, and you know where a great deal of their military technology came from? France! So I think war on France is then perfectly justifiable, using your logic against the Saudis. | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:49 ObsoleteLogic wrote: As for Iraq, it was a horrible regime of oppression, hated, and violence, which had sought WMD in the past, had used them (gassing of the Kurds), and has possible ties to terrorism. and oil, you forgot that point, iraq has lots of oil | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:52 Kobayashi wrote: and oil, you forgot that point, iraq has lots of oil we aren't stealing their oil. We are using they money made from it to rebuild their country. | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:53 BlackJack wrote: we aren't stealing their oil. We are using they money made from it to rebuild their country. lol ok...remind me, what companies are rebuilding iraq? PS:and the oil is not going to end after iraq is rebuilt either | ||
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machinin
Netherlands458 Posts
- are not dying of hunger - don't live in constant war - seem to have a bright future with their goverment "ruling the world" - endless oil-supplies for their cars so it's not really a suprise most people support the 2 most dangerous leaders of our generation where lies and liars rule over the truth. | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:58 machinin wrote: i'm pretty sure most people in america do know most of the things bush/sharon/co have been doing as of late is wrong. and its very understandable why most of them have no reason to investigate the truth, they: - are not dying of hunger - don't live in constant war - seem to have a bright future with their goverment "ruling the world" - endless oil-supplies for their cars so it's not really a suprise most people support the 2 most dangerous leaders of our generation where lies and liars rule over the truth. Ah, and your valiant country is doing... what? Nothing? Like always? | ||
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SoLsiTO
United States573 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:49 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Afghanistan was run by the Taliban, who supported Al Queda, which is an INTERNATIONAL group, composed of people from MANY ARAB COUNTRIES. Saudi Arabian government does not officially recognize terrorists. Have government members given support to terrorists? Likely. As for Iraq, it was a horrible regime of oppression, hated, and violence, which had sought WMD in the past, had used them (gassing of the Kurds), and has possible ties to terrorism. Oh, and you know where a great deal of their military technology came from? France! So I think war on France is then perfectly justifiable, using your logic against the Saudis. The anthrax came from the US... Saddam was pretty much put into power by the US, including weapons given to him by the US... I know it is easy to blame another country (not that france didn't give them anything because they did) for doing the same shit you do, especially when you have your head so far up your ass that you cant even take a moment to consider what psylo is arguing even with all the sources he is providing. Instead you people just take up the position that it was impossible, that nothing like this could ever happen, that Osama was never trained by the CIA to fight russians, and after never had connections with the CIA or anyother organization related to the US. And about terrorism, "the US is the only country that was condemned for international terrorism by the World Court and that rejected a Security Council resolution calling on states to observe international law." Now I personally believe that Bush and company had prior knowledge to 9/11 and did nothing to stop it, for what reason I do not know. If Bush did indeed take part in the planning of the event, that kind of makes me sick, and as much as I dislike him I certainly hope that he or anypart of the US government had no initial involvement in 9/11 other then knowing that it could possibly happen. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:58 machinin wrote: i'm pretty sure most people in america do know most of the things bush/sharon/co have been doing as of late is wrong. and its very understandable why most of them have no reason to investigate the truth, they: - are not dying of hunger - don't live in constant war - seem to have a bright future with their goverment "ruling the world" - endless oil-supplies for their cars so it's not really a suprise most people support the 2 most dangerous leaders of our generation where lies and liars rule over the truth. Kinda sad but I can't find anything wrong with that =[ | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On September 01 2003 19:08 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Ah, and your valiant country is doing... what? Nothing? Like always? I don't think he meant that in a hostile way. He had a pretty good point I thought. Just because he pointed out those facts doesn't mean he's claiming his country is problem-free. We're talking about the USA here, not the Netherlands. | ||
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iGgs
Russian Federation772 Posts
On September 01 2003 09:24 Klogon wrote: And they happened to know the fact that these planes would have 40-50 long before they did it right? I mean if they wanted a plane with 40-50, wouln't it be easier to get a plane with about that much max? Uhh, the planes hit the towers. Then it was a LONG TIME later that the towers fell. And the waves were seconds before the fall. And I also have people backing up my "propoganda" even though they just now admitted it was propoganda. to klogon who quoted me ok. yes i think they did have some kind of relative idea of how many people were going to be onboard the plane seeing as the attack was pre planned for like 2 years. this is rellevent because hijacking a plane with 50 passagers is easier than one with 200, because you will get annihilated. did it ever cross your mind that the seismic waves could have been caused by actual explosions within the tower FOLLOWING the plane crashes? i mean c'mon, two freakin planes crash into the towers and the only explosions resulting are from the initial crashes? NO | ||
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
On September 01 2003 18:37 BlackJack wrote: RoFL that was just too funny. I think just about everybody who doesn't live in a cave has seen the towers fall at least 100 times. Probably 50 or so on the morning of 9/11 alone. It is funny how you are convinced that they didn't fall naturally. OF COURSE THEY DIDNT FALL NATURALLY. THEY COLLAPSED FROM BEING RUN INTO BY A HUGE FUCKING PLANE. Good thing you were able to spot this out and the thousands of licensed engineers missed it.. Or else we wouldn't be debating lol.... he means with the 2 fucking planes jammed into the tower of course... just think about it.. why would a tower with 2 planes jammed in at the top fall straight down perfectly? the amount of damage done to the area around world trade center isnt that large relatively... IMO it was controlled.. it was prob a conspiracy put together by the bush admin and some other groups so they could go do stuff in the middle east prob is osama bin laden caught? yea i didnt think so =o | ||
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iGgs
Russian Federation772 Posts
On September 01 2003 10:43 DeMoNiC wrote: DV8 u are by far the stupidest person who has yet posted on this post..period, u tell psylo to think hard and put himself in an opposing viewers shoes... and yet it seems u cant follow ur own advice and really drop ur loyal to america BS act -_-, the way u responding to psylo im guessing ur either 13 or a REALLY immature 16 yr old but enough of that.. Psylo's point is that Bush's administration, aswell as Bin Ladens family both gained ALOT through 9/11 and without it, bush wouldnt have had the excuse he needed to go through with many things for even further proof, when bush was giving speeches on why we should invade Iraq he yet AGAIN used 9/11 as an excuse.. clearyly Saddam didnt pull 9/11 yet every flipping sentence bush mentioned on america entering a war with iraq was Terrorist this and 911 that.. its a Documented TACTIC (forgot name) used to have people throw their hate on one subject onto another by drilling the bad memory into their heads while speaking of another thing entirely... can u not tell me such a tactic isnt corrupt?? i mean.. if not even your own president trying to manipulate u phases ur ignorant opinion.. then god knows what will.... you're a moron, he responded like that because their is actual evidence that 9/11 DID hurt the american economy and really had a lot of harm done, why would he put himself in the opposing viewers shoes (the person who supports conspiracy theory) when their is no acutal FACT from a reliable source or by that matter no logical explanation that the US government had a role in this | ||
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KiDDy
Finland12 Posts
I apologize if my words hurt someone. | ||
Legionnaire
Australia4515 Posts
On September 01 2003 03:59 TeCh)PsylO wrote: perhaps i should provide more information to the matter. becuase of the large topic, i will try to discuss one thing at a time. point one of the article: we knew this was going to happen, and did not stop it. after 9-11, bush said that there was no way we could have known that this was going to happen. but even directly after 9-11, it was known that there were warnings of this. there are many examples of this. On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. pentagon mass casualty exercise. models of plans hitting the pentagon. the actually phoenix memo image of WTC being targeted on government document US pulls plug on muslim web sites just b4 9-11 egypt warns US of 9-11 1995 phillipines plot to crash planes into buildings this list could go on.. and lets not forget that the WTC had already been attacked as mentioned in the 9-11 summary. the goal was to make one building collapse, and that would bring down the other. the idea that the bush administration just could not forsee this happening is rediculous. bush was "briefed" about a threat coming. all the hijackers had visas, and some were under watch by the cia. the government had all the information they needed to stop this, but they didnt. i read the first page and thats it. lets go over your sources, 1st one doesn't work 2nd one is from a severe left wing news page that digs up anything to try and make something. 3rd one is from same as first 4th same as 1st / 3rd guessing its a weird theory news crap thing to. 5th one is finally a real newspaper, unfortunately its the gaurdian (in the uk which is one of the 3 left wing papers there i beleive?) but i'd still beleive it if it contained something better then this to support your story in that article itself it says its intended purpose. 6th one on the front page is talking about "REAL UFO PRINTS... dont think i have to talk more about the "quality of news" that this contains" 7th one oh another real news site but only talks about the 1995 incident which is one of the reasons there was talk about it might actually happen. your sources are a load of crap, only 2 from real news papers but information is minor. as for you "alien loving" ones, well you can easily find enough news from shitty sources and peice together a conspiracy. dont worry the landings on the moon were all done in a studio as well =] | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On September 01 2003 19:30 BlackJack wrote: Saddam isn't allowed to have WMD and if he has them, it is grounds to start a war with iraq. If he didn't have them, he must be very stupid for acting so guilty. north korea has wmd...no one cares | ||
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