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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
August 28 2016 22:27 GMT
#4
/replace
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 04 2016 06:38 GMT
#25
On September 04 2016 14:09 Eden1892 wrote:
/in for vet
and/or
/coach for any faction (probably better as town coach but comfortable/confident in ability to do either)


Welcome back!
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 20 2016 18:44 GMT
#132
Change my replace to /in

Hopefully work has calmed down.
And you scrubs don't try to lynch me day 1.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 24 2016 19:24 GMT
#307
Calix

I'm curious of the Jealous townread because at page 13 I'm not seeing it ptmc -

On September 24 2016 18:50 ptmc wrote:
My reads so far:
town lean:
Calix
Jealous

since i can agree with their reasoning

slight scum lean:
SoulEaterQUEEN, but purely based on the RVS

Stutters, see calix' post, also his mentioning of his meta rubs me the wrong way
Lunatic, since he town reads my scum lean?



On September 24 2016 19:37 Rels wrote:
I don't like Jealous. And I don't like all the townreads he's getting simply for writing the most words in the thread. 80% of his content are about things that are not scumhunting and are very easy to write about: RVS, meta, PL.

The only thing he's done in terms of reads has been questionning Stutters with Calix. I don't liek that he's already justifying himself to not having to take a stance:
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On September 24 2016 13:29 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 12:05 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I get a light town read on Calix based on #204, #207.
I'd like to hear more from Jealous, in #213, it sounds like a light scum read or suspicion on Stutter - but the way they phrase it as a question because they are confused makes me think they are hesitant on the read, just maybe?

Not a scum read just yet. I don't crystallize or publicize my reads until I have a decent catalog of posts on which to base them, because I feel like weak pressure and baseless reads are harmful to town because they lack substance, have a higher probability of being wrong, and can lead to ML. I am just trying to get a feel for the players I am not familiar with and see what kind of person is behind the keyboard, why they say what they say, and thus look for inconsistencies in-game.

So, Jealous, I want you to explain your stance on Stutters' answers to your questions.



This is exactly where I'm at with Jealous too

Rels moves up in my book

Not a fan of this entrance -

On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:
I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:

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On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:

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On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/


To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.


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On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
[quote]

To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.

On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.

I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.

This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?

My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.


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On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:
Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.

I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.

On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
[quote]
Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.


Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.

I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.

As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)

Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.

Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:

On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
[quote]
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.


Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.

Stutters:
[quote]
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.


Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.

It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
[quote]


Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?

Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?

Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?

If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?


Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.

Please explain


Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.

I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.


That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.

Why woudln't I do such a thing ?
So apparently you think I'm scum ?


No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.



There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.



Townleans:
Calix
Rels

Scumleans:
DenelerH
Jealous
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 24 2016 19:25 GMT
#308
I'll be back and forth today - minds aching a little bit
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 06:45 GMT
#380
On September 25 2016 13:43 Jealous wrote:
Anyhow, right now the vote for me us between Lunatic and Stutters. It would be great if we can hear some analysis from these players of the same nature as SEQ above. This will help me decide which to vote for and to then post-humously analyze associations.


So I've read Jealous's filter and this is the most informative post in his whole filter. Still not a big fan of you though.

So let me read Luna's and Stutter's filters. I've observed a lot more Stutters games than Luna's (although there have been a couple)

On September 24 2016 15:19 Lunaticman wrote:
Hello my name is Lunatic and I have an addiction problem. I play to much mafia.

If you have have any advice for me please call me at1-999-MAFIAADDICT or leave a message at killstomanybadguys15@gmail.com

Also good morning everyone.

Also last post ftw! Obvious townie points!


Not a big fan of this opening - looks like tryhard.

On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
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On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


Need to see why he thinks Stutters is such obv town. Hmm

Then the bad blue role post.

On September 25 2016 07:50 Lunaticman wrote:
You clearly didnt read the whole thing ptmc because I got pressured into saying Stutters was a blue read by rels and Da.

They called me scum for it and I saw no positive outcome in hiding the information since he could br killed by being a townread player anyway. No matter how you spin it you can make anyone look scummy.

Im going to sleep now and Im putting my vote on Da so I dont miss it.


Well I liked Rels's posts so far - so hmmm

Verdict: Could lynch

Stutters -

On September 24 2016 14:31 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^


Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.

Emphasis mine. I'd lynch for this


On September 25 2016 08:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously, did no one else catch what I quoted before I left besides Luna?

I'll give you a hint, go read SEQs filter (9 posts). The one I quoted shows a clear lack of reading, even incredibly early in the game.

I'm working another 2 hours, but if anyone has any questions fire away. No comment on the blue stuff, scum can try to figure it out on their own.


Okay - I've re-read this thought about three times - and I think I get it.
The thing I do like about it is Stutters believes in his find of lack of reading. I don't think he'd be so daring as mafia.
The thing is - I don't see where Luna quoted it though. :/


Verdict: Wouldn't lynch today
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 06:49 GMT
#381
I don't think anyone is town-reading or defending Luna - which makes me worry.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 09:32 GMT
#393
On September 25 2016 16:24 Stutters695 wrote:
He didn't quote it, he said something like the post above this is good. What are your thoughts on SEQ?


Okay


On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
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On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/

Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^

Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.



This is a pretty bad first post, as been quoted and noted earlier.
On September 24 2016 14:02 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
I liked that last bit you wrote in the post. I feel the same way but I tend to be impulsive and pressurize my way into getting reads as a natural reaction when I begin playing through RVS which has lead to some results in getting activity in the game which is nice. I still have yet to see the point in the RVS in general but noticed the lack of presence of it so far here. Would like to hear the views of how you perceive RVS/what kinds of points given. This may not lead to alignment indicative posts, but gives me an understanding of where people's heads are at this point in the game.

That being said, I like how confident tone in that post, it could be from a very well seasoned player, but normally see caution amongst scum at the beginning, so I am definitely light town reading Jealous based on the #233, I also like how there is consistency on the behaviour reasoning for the post I questioned which again feels like they are not frabricating a reasoning.
Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt.


There's a few things that bug me about this post (besides his failure to quote, which is one)
It's so pronouny it's a bit difficult to know who he's even talking about - especially if you get into another day and do a filter re-read.
The second would be the "Please note, my reads tend to have a dynamic flow as the game state changes so take it with a grain of salt." which in theory any one would do.
It gives me weird vibes.

On September 25 2016 13:07 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
Okay so here's my thoughts on what I have read up on so far:
town leans on
Xalador (gave my reasons earlier)
pmtc (the discussion and decoding Danaler's alignment with Xalador felt incredibly nature/smooth + points on scum hunting)
Calix (earlier interactions = bit blurry on reasoning though other than criticism on stutter just nice impression since it gave me stuff to work with to get out of gross RVS)

small town lean on
Danaler (gave my reasoning earlier = based on tunnelling on Lunar)
DoYouHas (analysis on myself I guess? kinda a weak reasoning)

Unsure on
Jealous (confident tone which felt townie to me, abuses newb card in #366 rubs me the wrong way. Good point by Rels that alarms go off on the lack of scum hunting)
Stutters (still need more on current game state thoughts)

Slight Scum read
Lunar (commented on how I didn't like how he gave into the pressure by players, shakey confidence, but didn't like the filler jab I pointed out in #357 and #359 - don't like meta tells to be that conceret)

the rest, nothing really stood out in my backreading.


Although I disagree with a bit of this list - SEQ is providing a list here. (IE Jealous & Rels)
Xatalos is a really spammy player but nothing has set me off on him or anything yet.

Stutters, I feel it's a little OMGUS with a couple good and a few bad posts, to be honest. Just under null is where I'd put SEQ.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 09:32 GMT
#394
On September 25 2016 18:23 Lunaticman wrote:
I wonder how not wanting to state a read because it will reveal a blue role is equal towards being mafia. The reason for not saying anything is because that is based o information town dont want mafia to know.

This game is just full of paragraf knights. I told you why I didnt want to say my SINGLE read and I got forced. Saying I wasnt forced is a lie.

And when I do say why Im a coward, so either way Im scum. And that dosent even make sense.

It is also intresting to see that town once again town reads the people with most posts as town.

Remember that mafia always sound smater and better because they know who is mafia and are working with perfect information.

Lastly I yet to see a day one lynch of a mafia player so anything that happens day one usually is just speculation.

My time is precious this weekend the little spare time I have not working is spent defending myself. I dont really have time to do what I want which is identify townies and lookig for mafia in the top posters day one.

A good example is my last normal game in which I found the gf day one and was unsuccessful in lynching him 3 days in a row because the mafia undermined me constantly.


So who do you want to lynch?
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 19:18 GMT
#518
Allright, so I even asked Luna who he wanted to lynch and didn't even say. He had two wordy posts that didn't have any content. There's a couple other people trying to push other lynches now too - so I feel more confident voting for him.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 19:56 GMT
#554
On September 26 2016 04:50 Superbia wrote:
2 scumleans with no progression and then a pretty forced vote on luna.


That's a pretty bad summary - It's like you didn't even read any of my longer posts.

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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 19:56 GMT
#555
On September 26 2016 04:54 Rels wrote:
scott tell me when you see this message


seen
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 20:01 GMT
#562
On September 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:
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On September 26 2016 04:56 scott31337 wrote:
On September 26 2016 04:54 Rels wrote:
scott tell me when you see this message


seen

You doing a doc keeping your reads in this game too ? Could you copy paste it if that is the case please ?


It's been a fairly low activity game so I haven't bothered to do so.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 20:04 GMT
#566
On September 26 2016 05:02 Rels wrote:
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On September 26 2016 05:01 scott31337 wrote:
On September 26 2016 04:57 Rels wrote:
On September 26 2016 04:56 scott31337 wrote:
On September 26 2016 04:54 Rels wrote:
scott tell me when you see this message


seen

You doing a doc keeping your reads in this game too ? Could you copy paste it if that is the case please ?


It's been a fairly low activity game so I haven't bothered to do so.

What's the alst town game where you haven't taken notes withg your reads ?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 20:12 GMT
#574
On September 26 2016 05:06 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, the vote distribution is a bit questionable, but it could just be that the scumteam is too toothless. It would kind of be preferable to have a close race, though, for future vote analysis... But I'm not really confident with scott as the second target... Well, if enough people are, that would be good enough.


I thought this a bit last night - But Skynx wants to like DYH instead - Superbia wants to lynch me instead - Ptmc has his vote on another wagon - etc.There's only three scum. We still have three people who haven't voted. They really can't defend him hard without looking really bad if he flips scum.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 20:44 GMT
#593
On September 26 2016 05:21 Superbia wrote:
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On September 26 2016 05:12 scott31337 wrote:
On September 26 2016 05:06 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, the vote distribution is a bit questionable, but it could just be that the scumteam is too toothless. It would kind of be preferable to have a close race, though, for future vote analysis... But I'm not really confident with scott as the second target... Well, if enough people are, that would be good enough.


I thought this a bit last night - But Skynx wants to like DYH instead - Superbia wants to lynch me instead - Ptmc has his vote on another wagon - etc.There's only three scum. We still have three people who haven't voted. They really can't defend him hard without looking really bad if he flips scum.


What are you saying here?


What part do you not get? I was saying that isn't a "slam dunk" basically. We have more than three people that have other preferred lynches than Luna. (like was supposed to be lynch)

I had to go eat, I haven't had anything all day.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 20:53 GMT
#594
On September 26 2016 05:48 Jealous wrote:
## Vote Lunaticman


Want to post any other thoughts on the game Jealous?
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 20:55 GMT
#596
Voting thread is that way ---> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514250-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii-vote-thread?page=2#22
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 22:01 GMT
#618
The RB as well?

NNNIIICCCEEEE
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 25 2016 22:03 GMT
#626
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
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On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.

Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.



Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.

Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.

I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.

This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!

This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.


Hmmmm
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