TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3
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The first post I didn't like, which gumshoe also noticed is one from sicklucker: On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early! I went back to see who SL was actually agreeing with and aparently it is no one. It's subtle the way he says gumshoe is scummy for talking about slam (?) only implying it and not taking responsability for it. He doesn't especifically says it is gumshoe who is scummy and makes sure people know it wasn't his idea. Also he makes sure to put that he would never do that because obviously he is town! Probably not enough to make sure someone is scum, but I'll be watching SL closely in my read. | ||
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Nothing wrong with ls and shape either so far. ritoky's not VT comment is pretty random though. | ||
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Still think sicklucker is probably our best bet so far. | ||
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ritoky slam damdred shape and now tumble still in the null territory for me. | ||
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On March 24 2016 12:12 sicklucker wrote: i found him pretty scummy because he choose to focus on slam. I think thats very scummy. I have played like 20 games with slam and stopped trying to figure him out in like the second one. He claimed to have played with him quite a bit. Also it was like 1 hour in and i like da presure! Gumshoe doesn't even focus on slam on his post, he mentions slam along with everybody else. I don't like what sicklucker is saying nor do I like the way he is saying it. The justification here to kurumi at this stage doesn't add up imo, seems like sicklucker is too focused on himself. Very high chance of being mafia. | ||
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Weird that slam didn't make any coments after the shot if it was him (which I'm inclined to believe). If I had to decide right here I'd say slam is scum. | ||
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Also leaning town on kurumi a bit. Null on rso. I think rels has the wrong idea on ritoky and rso is spreading doubt a bit. Dunno. I find her hard to read. | ||
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I don't really love the jat/superbia/rsoul thing. I don't quite understand why jat interfered in superbia's mini push. He admits rso is good scum, he should want her to get some pressure maybe? Dunno I'm not confortable with jat or rso for that matter at all. Nothing inherently scummy about them, but also didn't jump me as town either. Slam's comeback was kinda underwhelming and he got angry at jat's post kinda randomly. I understand it sucks being called bad or terrible, but you did shoot a townie (he probably didn't quite enjoy that either) and other town are trying to stop mafia of getting away with stuff like that. I want to say I feel like slam is actually town, I hope he explains a bit more. Then I came across this post which is actually the reason I made this summary, to get to this point: On March 25 2016 03:15 Tumblewood wrote: Trying to catch up from my phone, but you're making a new post for every two I read. I think one of Kurumi and LS is scum, because they were the gumshoe wagon starters (I don't feel comfortable scumreading either of the other two) and he was the target for a mislynch. Also, all of you scumreading Slam for that shot are idiots. He was wrong, but he's obvious town because of it. I think that is a pretty straight foward and simplistic reason to say someone is scum. You don't risk much, there is no behavior analysis and you don't even narrow it down to the one you do think is scum, nor explains why you excluded the other two. I guess you are on the phone and simply had to post this. But it seems like the real reason why you wanted to make this post is to say everyone scumreading slam is an idiot and you are sure he is town. You might very well be right (I think you are), but it's somewhat uncharacteristic for a townie to be so sure and give such an easy pass for someone who shot a town 5 hours into day 1. I don't think townies want to be made fools off, so that's why I find this certainty strange. | ||
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Also one thing I don't understand regarding the circumstance. Did you send your shot through pm and went to bed? I had the impression you said you were going to reconsider it and sleep on it before you shot. What happened/made you change your mind? | ||
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On March 25 2016 05:26 ritoky wrote: town: ritoky superbia sl shape used to be town, but dropoff after town reads: vivax town leans: jat obi VA don't wanna lynch today, reluctant/hesitant town: koshi dunno cuz no idea what roles are in the game, townish, re-eval later: slam mafia leans: LS tumblewood mafia: rsoul policy: sandroba ticktock no solid opinions: kurumi stutters rels (although me thinking his reads are super bad right now might be alignment indicative) tubesock I think ritoky stole the spot as top town, especially with the post talking to ls before this one. These reads are pretty simillar to mine so far, given some adjustments. | ||
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rsoul - not much follow up or questioning in her posts, still hung up on this ritoky business and also calls shape scum. Her reasoning on ritoky was that it didn't seem genuine and it his plan would never achieve nothing. W/E townie do random things, mafia rarelly does so, and mafia never tries to uncover blues like that, it's retarded. Half the townies would probably not even recognize the vehicle and then mafia would have to shoot into a big pool of people either way. Not a mafia plan and the way he felt it was so great and defended his own plan kind of proud of himself means town. Also he posted more stuff which if you cared to read are pretty townie. Other person she says may be mafia is shapelog who is one of my strongest town reads atm. And she never talks about the whole Slam deal, she doesn't talk about it seems unfased by it and doesn't seem to care what slam's alignment is. She simply ignored the event and derived some koshi superficial read from it like it meant nothing. So rsoul being terribly wrong and ignoring stuff that points to town on people means she is probably mafia. tumblewood - he seems disconnected from the game making superficial reads. Nothing screams scum in his posting besides maybe the certainty slam is town as I mentioned previously. Not really much to say about him besides nothing he has posted so far makes me feel he is town and some of it make me feel he might be mafia. slam - I'm back and forth on this, but his reaction does seem exagerated and over the top and his lack of explanation is disturbing to say the least. ls and vivax kind of dropped off my town circle for a bit since vivax had a nice burst then felt like he did enough and ls is being kind of useless lately. Not sure I can read him well, I had him as town earlier but now I'm unsure. kurumi I think is probably town. Wouldn't lynch today anyway. VA OWS and Tube, besides not posting much don't jump me as scum. Stutters and TT pretty much gave up on reading, wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them is scum. So my prefered lynch is rsoul, but I can see lynching slam if he stays bitchy and doesn't start to provide us with answers. | ||
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The shapelog read which I questioned I don't think was ever explained properly. The ritoky read is apparently even stronger than I thought and it looks fake to me. Again she only believes he is mafia because his "plan was bad" and "ritoky should know better" "he is balsy enough to do it as mafia" which none of it actually means someone is mafia. She is actually ignoring very good posts by ritoky which should at least make you unsure about him being mafia : On March 25 2016 04:56 ritoky wrote: firstly LS, you need to stop taking and start giving if you ever want to even consider getting a town read from me. it's pretty simple about rsoul though: 1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow. 2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read. 3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative. 4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles. On March 25 2016 05:18 ritoky wrote: you see this is my problem with you right here and why there's a decent chance you're mafia. you're asking continuation questions but then not making definitive conclusions and you're sitting here trying to take as much information as possible without giving any. townies are givers at heart because it is all we got. "explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really? Now her new read is kurumi is scum which is a cop out. Kurumi is very unlikely scum in this spot, and besides his posting size nothing he actually wrote is bad if you cared to read it. It's kind of unprecedented levels of effort by kurumi and I get where he is comming from when he gets angry about people attacking him for putting an effort. I don't think rsoul has even bothered to filter her own scum read, as she accused shapelog of doing. My vote stays. | ||
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