EPTNoir Mini Mafia: Chapter 4
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On March 08 2016 02:16 Vivax wrote: starts at midnight for me, chances are Ill start posting tomorrow Same. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=alakaslam First game post is the one that says "Q PASA MAH WHALASSA MOMBASSA" | ||
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kush pressures Shape into giving a read. On March 08 2016 08:32 Shapelog wrote: Yes totally kush, one situation is all that i look for as town to town read someone. Does he look townie in that situation, yes. Does that mean he is town? no. You know that that is not a reasonable town read reason. This is different from what I expect from town. More so from Shapelog, who has no problem stating his opinion. Basically here is what I expected: "No Vivax is not most likely town, it's maybe very slightly town indicative" or something like that. So what he posted later actually. But instead of doing that, Shape was defensive and even attacked slightly kush by saying "you know it's not reasonnable". This is a scum mindset: instead of posting his read (or non-read) and talking about it, he is like "look my read makes perfect sense and you're dumb for attacking me". I also didn't like these: On March 08 2016 08:45 Shapelog wrote: If you only look at that then yes. It prob. would (after you factor in the chances of it being NAI, which actually might make it NAI). The thing is i do not look at one post for any reads and you fucking know this. Or do i need to remind you about how i did not feel conferrable with you voting for FF/Uon because i was not sure of their scummyness? Am I not allowed to look at other posts made by him to determine his alignment? I am not allowed to be sure that he is town? Why are you pressuring me about this btw? Just curious. On March 08 2016 09:36 Shapelog wrote: Yup. Cool you dodged the question about commitment. And you know why I am not giving vivax a town read based off of 1 post. How have you forgotten that? I been saying the reason for awhile now. Seems to me Shape could still be in his "attack kush" mode I described above. Again, this has nothing to do with his Vivax read which is perfectly reasonnable, but his reaction to pressure. | ||
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On March 08 2016 08:34 Vivax wrote: whats the point of you mentioning me reporting in and not doing much then if its completely nai apparently scum points for you and town points for kush On March 08 2016 08:35 Vivax wrote: i also give you 1 minute to tell me where the carotic sinus is Serious post about Shape being potentially scum, immediately (it's 1 minute later and it's the next post in the thread) followed by a joke post. There is a disconnect in the way Vivax is playing the game there. He's serious and posting a scumread on a guy, and immediately after he's posting a joke to the guy he's scumreading. | ||
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On March 08 2016 17:12 geript wrote: So basically when Slam is town, he has no clue what he's doing. He tries to have fun while doing something. He tries to play for his fun and others. He tries to get in on jokes. When he breaks to make a serious point, his thoughts meander. It's like he's posting high and there's the roundabout thought hidden between the jokes. When he's mafia, he tries to mimic that shit entirely. But instead of getting the meandering around, it's broken up separately. He focuses mostly on doing on thing at a time instead of just letting him his thoughts lead him wherever his mind goes. So therefore between him not trolling (aka playing to have fun) and not trolling wrong (consistency between points of posts), he's scum. I think geript is town. I like how he is convinced he found scum and is pushing for him. geript, how I read Slam is looking at if he's hiding behind his trolling to not do anything. I would like your take in his play in outlaw. | ||
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kush, for being invested in solving the game. yamato, for being invested in solving the game. It's super early so it's easily fakable so it's slight townreads. Slight scumread: Koshi for not being there when he should be awake by now. Koshi usually posts aaaaaaaaalll the time as town, and has a way harder time posting as scum. Obviously it could be explained by IRL too so it's very slight. | ||
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On March 08 2016 22:34 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Two questions: Do you think getript honestly has a strong scumread of alakslam or is he posturing? Is part of the reason you townread getript because you agree with him about alakslam? Yes and no. | ||
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To expand on Slam, I saw him troll as scum (outlaw) and be serious as town (smurf) so I don't think his "non-trolliness" is scum indicative. | ||
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On March 08 2016 22:42 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: In Outlaw he had a serious early game. Anyway, I don't know where you are getting that getript's read on alakslam is logical. He is applying superficial meta to a couple joke phase posts alakaslam made. I do not believe that the meta geript is using is wrong, because it is detailed enough for Slam to prove it's wrong if that's the case. But I think it's outdated. That's why I want geript to read outlaw, and I don't agree with you on outlaw; he was trolly and posted bad reads from time to time. | ||
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On March 08 2016 22:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: is that not the game he had that big push on shape early? No | ||
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On March 08 2016 23:40 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: i actually dont even know what we are arguing about regarding slam anymore. Against geript claim that "slam not trolly = scum". You dug up a serious post, but there are also trolly ones. Best way to read Slam is to see if he's trying to solve the game or if he's not doing jack shit IMO. | ||
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On March 08 2016 23:44 Koshi wrote: I won't post a lot this game. The only reason I make this post is because I don't think I will post again in 4-7 hours and also that post might be very low content. I think I am ok with waiting 72 hours the first day. Obviously not passively. Disagree. Like, a lot. Maybe the first 24 hours are the exception, but beyond that we should be ready to lynch someone every 24 hours. If the person being lynched becomes super townie we can stop the lynch before deadline. | ||
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Anyway it doesn't matter now, but if at the start of D2 we have one super scummy guy we should lynch him immediately. | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:02 geript wrote: Slam smurfing is a bit different. It kinda depends on how interested he is in not being found out and how long that interest lasts. Why are you talking to me about Slam smurfing here ? Do you think he smurfed in Outlaw ? Cause that is not the case. Did you open the link I posted just before the post you quoted here ? | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:07 Koshi wrote: Sadly I already made something and I don't want to delete it because it is pure brilliance. And because I was a bit mean to Rels last game and his VE read when I entered the thread. Therefore I will correct his yamato read and explain it. Oh, you mean when you dismissed my scumread on scum!VE with "VE is obvious town" without explanation, even when I asked for them. That was FUN. On March 09 2016 02:07 Koshi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2016 16:16 yamato77 wrote: I want to lynch Vivax. Unsurprisingly. On March 08 2016 16:25 yamato77 wrote: Also, I don't understand how geript wants to lynch slam for what he's posted, nor would I give Shapelog a pass for being a noob. Shapelog's posts aren't bad necessarily, but they don't give off a newb vibe. They seem comfortable. Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to. Kush being overly aggressive is whatever. Mild townread. Tumble's first post is creative at least. If he's a new player I wouldn't expect that sort of effort as mafia but that's a highly conditional read. 1) The geript read + how he involves alakaslam,shape and Vivax. It just doesn't do it for me. Why is geript mafia for wanting to lynch alakslam? Why is geript mafia for thinking shape is newb town? Why is geript mafia for saying Vivax is a dick? geript explained his Shape read pretty clearly. I don't understand where yamato his confusion comes from. I also don't understand why yamato adds his own opinion of Shape in his geript segment, but fails to explain why it makes geript mafia. The entire paragraph just doesn't make sense from town perspective who is figuring out geript. Because Yamato isn't figuring out geript at all, he is correcting/doubting things geript said and then implies geript is wrong and therefore mafia. Or at least that is how this entire segment feels like. Because he doesn't really conclude anything on geript in the end. It's an open ending that we can fill in. 2) I don't see the connection between his opening post about lynching Vivax and the follow up in the geript segment. It could be that yamato his opening post is stating/complaining about the fact Vivax is offtopic as fuck. He confronts Vivax about that later again but without trying to solve the game or do anything. It's so meek. What is this read? + Show Spoiler + Vivax is the much more notable poster in the first few pages IMO and it's odd that all geript has to say about it is that he's a dick. All of that said, I don't really have a scumread on geript, I just disagree with him, as I expected to. 3) I get the feeling that the Kush read and the Tumble read are "correct" reads mafia gives. Simple structured reads based on TMI but throwaway. Mafia yamato knows these 2 are town and then finds a reason to call them town. It is the same for the Shape read within the geript read btw. These reads feel like coming from mafia. Or really good town being in the zone but then I wonder what the fuck the geript/vivax vomitting was all about. I think town yamato would have approached this entirely different, a town yamato would be able to express and structure himself a lot clearer in his first read post. Figure out players individually and not inappropriate mix in geript in every read. Yamato his reads just don't seem to be coming from a townie trying to solve the game. I feel it is a mafia giving reads through discrediting somebody else his reads. I can't explain it. Just doesn't look town. ##vote Yamato some tinfoil: I was wondering why yamato is so focussed on geript. It doesn't feel natural yamato starts his read post by reading geript giving reads on 3 other people. Discrediting geript? Scumbuddies? Tilting geript? I don't know. Might have something to do with Slam but maybe completely not. OK I have no idea where a lot of your case came from. yamato didn't scumread geript ? yamato explained why he didn't think Shape could be considered a newbie ? yamato read on Vivax feels consistent to me ? Do you townread kush and tumble ? | ||
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On March 09 2016 05:43 yamato77 wrote: Rels, what do you make of Koshi? Maybe scum. He has excuses to not post a lot like he does as town + I don't understand his case on you. | ||
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On March 09 2016 02:22 geript wrote: Tumbleweed has said like 3 things all of which I liked. Anyone who wants to lynch him is scum. ??? + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2016 15:15 Tumblewood wrote: I feel like Shape's been kinda backed into a corner by kush, or at least he feels that way. How it went down: Kush flashed his badge at Shapelog. It read, "Private Investigator: Kush Mountains". "What do you know about the mafia?" he inquired. Shape didn't have much to say; he'd only been there twenty minutes, and he'd only seen three other people in his time. He thought of the most informative thing he had to say, which was It wasn't much, and they both knew it. Kush followed up with some leading questions. Of course, there was no other way for Shape to answer but in the affirmative. They both knew that anyone could be a killer, and there was no sense in thinking someone good-willed from just one clue. Basically, Shape made an observation on virtually the only (little) information he had, and kush drew the conclusion from it and coerced him into making his own conclusion, which was "that's not enough" and labeled backtracking. It's not concerning to me. On March 09 2016 00:22 Tumblewood wrote: I liked how he drew a decent conclusion from Shape's observation. It shows that his question wasn't just a token "look at me participating" question. It was, what, his first post? so I'm not putting him into either category yet. On March 09 2016 00:26 Tumblewood wrote: Also geript town for persistently pushing a read that wasn't gaining much traction. Two townreads on kush + you and a non-scumread on Shape. How the fuck do you townread him ? | ||
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