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RtaniSoul
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We are seeking a third head. Please apply. Unless your name is DP and your nose is firmly up everyone's ass already. Carry on ^^ | ||
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RtaniSoul
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Game? I've been mislynched once on this site, in large part because I failed to convince geript that DP was a skeezy scumbucket with a geript in his pocket. Artie remembers Imperial and remembers a more aggressive DP. I glanced through the town game before that just in case replacing in might have had an effect on DP's play, but no dice. Aggressive there right out the starting gate. These are only a few games, but given they support the perception we already have... Where you getting this from, rayn? -waves at DP- Because pointing out that you're buddying people is definitely not worth mentioning or anything ^^ We up for a round two? | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On December 12 2015 15:05 Damdred wrote: I... Really like that rayn read on me (though I am biased). Its a really nice thought process one that I hadn't even thought of lol. And I hope rayn feels better so we can catch the scum. but I'm going to bed now. And tbh my prefered lynch so far is rels his not really staying around to chat or try to add on anything was disheartening. -pokes- Ignoring me, damdy? | ||
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RtaniSoul
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So yeah I'm rolling out...the laptop is getting packed now. Lex is in the air. We're not giving reads we haven't discussed just cause ew arguing with yourself in the thread, no bueno. Notes from what we discussed last night: 1. Damdy probably town for feels reasons + no longer ignoring us (me) and because we're easy targets this phase given it started on our travel day and there was no prior positive sentiments in the thread about us (art). 2. DP and rayn probably are not scum together given their interactions. (I don't remember if lex mentioned a read on rayn though so I'll just sit on mine. Or you can read between the lines, whichever you prefer.) 3. Neither of us feel good about DP, but could be conf bias and/or paranoia (on my part). One thing that we both noted was his reaction to us was dismissive. Given his follow-up, he could have thought that everyone knows he buddies as either alignment so my post was the equivalent to him of "humans breathe air," which might justify the response, however he neither tried to probe for our meaning (citing it as "obscure" later) or came to any conclusion about our alignment. It seemed more an attempt to discredit to me. Other reads will come later even though I want to comment now lol >< Have to be good and wait for my second (better?) half to get a chance to catch up. Likelihood is low that we post again before Sunday morning, just as an fyi, but we will if we can. Ciao! P.S. Thanks rayn! I'll take a look at your link...later? Maybe when I'm waiting at the airport to pick up Lex. Also, just to be clear, my point was the buddying and not the aggression...I am well aware that DP can be aggressive as either alignment, and we are both aware that Imperial is different, which is why I looked up the other town game (Avogadro, to be precise). So let me rephrase. Buddying without pushing anything early game is what caught our attention. Now ciao for realz ^^ | ||
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RtaniSoul
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We kind of think Damdred and Rayn are easy townreads right now. Damdred for being lighthearted and happy to interact. Rayn for not tunneling and actually attempting to interact with his reads. Kind of leaning town on GreY. Just don't think he'd go after Damdy and Rayn when everyone and their mom is townreading them. Especially if Marv is mafia, he'd actually have to line up mislynches and no one wants to lynch either of them right now. We don't think the post about Rayn being vocal was alignment indicative, and a bunch of things in his big post stuck out as townish. One thing we didn't like though was the marv post and trying to get him modkilled instead, but that would be an easy scum tactic that doesn't make much sense in combination with trying to push damdred/rayn. We think he's just wrong mostly. Marv is clearly scum at this point. ##Vote Marvellosity Which leaves DP and Rels for the last scum. Some of what Rels has posted looks okay and some of it doesn't. There's a few instances where it seems like he's throwing suspicions on people without trying to figure them out like he did The way he approached DP and our slot in a way that seems more focused on burying rather than solving. An exception to that would be this post: On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote: How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions. On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda. He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ? You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ? Where it feels like he's actually trying to work with GM. Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts. On December 12 2015 23:27 Rels wrote: ##Vote marv Do stuff or die. Otherwise here is my mind atm: rayn Damdred grey Arta/rsoul marv DP About the reiteration Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread. For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town. Town Damdred Raynpelikoneet Leaning Town GreYMisT Leaning Scum Rels DarthPunk Mafia Marvellosity | ||
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RtaniSoul
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@GM regarding rayn...it's the way his overall approach to the thread feels when he's town vs. scum. From my experience (and again lex agrees) a town rayn can be stubborn, tunneled, etc. but he actively works with his hard townreads to get reads and interacts with people to develop/clarify his current read. As scum, it tends to resemble more of a very precocious toddler trying to force a triangle through a circle-shaped hole. The collaborative/interactive feel simply isn't there, even when he's active in the thread. (Also, waiting to see if others see what he sees, as he was doing early game, is something I've only seen from a town rayn). I'm pretty certain of this read. @Damdy yeah, you're right. There's nothing wrong with focusing on PoE, and we definitely could be wrong about DP. Lex and I have waffled on him back and forth as we read the thread. PoE makes sense if you have no scumreads, but we still just don't see much actual scumhunting in his filter and it still bugs us. We can get a sense of where most people would be voting if they weren't voting marv, but we don't have the same feeling about DP. @DP, if you could address the above question...who is scum other than marv?...that would be nice. | ||
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 We're both sick. I blame the euro germs.So where we're at after discussing: Rayn and damdy are obv town Lexy really thinks DP is town based on his later posting, and I'm gonna trust him over me. We realize that there wasn't much thread sentiment to move to DP and it could have been considered a safe buss attempt, but Occam's razor suggests marv doesn't put his vote on his scummate to get out of a nearly inevitable lynch. We also don't see marv risking lynching his scumbuddy because he's not likely to play afterward. That leaves GM and Rels...we're kind of split on them. Lexy thinks Rels is the last scum and I have more reservations? Notes: - Marv's townread on GM was super weak. (Although lex says marv's known for giving easy townreads on lynchbait) - GM's refusal to move from marv might suggest they're scum together. - Rels' attempts to move the lynch were just not going to work. If he's scum with marv he has nowhere to go, but that begs the question why not just vote marv? WIFOM, but it still gives me pause. - Also, the townread on us made us doubt, cause before we were pretty fine with the idea he was the last scum and were going to suggest that you lynch between us and him even, but then he townreads us when scum needs two mislynches, so...huh? It's possible he could backtrack, we suppose. Rels seems more scummy, but at the same time, his play just doesn't seem like he can possibly expect to the win this game proceeding as he is. Maybe it's really just GM. Also, of y'all want another explanation on our DP read, ask, but we've already answered it. | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On December 14 2015 22:26 Rels wrote: Please expand. I understand being scumread for POE, but I don't see how my play is scummy, let alone the scummiest of the game. If you're talking about your DP townread, it's the first time I'm hearing about it. If you're talking about your DP scumread, did you read rayn's thoughts on it ? Do you still feel like DP's budying + not very aggressive is a scum indicator for him ? Did you read the game rayn linked ? We've had a strong townread on both Rayn (me more than art, but that's splitting hairs) and Damdred since very early in the game. We just explained our DP townread, and even though we didn't mention it again in our reads post, we still feel that GM's approach to the game has been fairly townie in terms of tone and strategy. Damdred and Rayn as his main scumreads earlier, for example, is just not a winning play for scum when they're never getting lynched here. To be honest, Rels, you just haven't written anything that has made us go "ah! that looks like a town Rels!" You seem to be gunning after whatever you can get. I described it as throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Lexy is fairly certain it's you, even though he did say that your EoD play looked like stream of consciousness to him. As I said earlier, if you and marv are scum together there's literally nowhere you can go. The only thing giving me pause is you didn't buss marv there which you should have as scum partners, but frankly you should have anyway. That and the townread on us, which is right, but really isn't to your advantage if you're scum. As for your DP questions, he's gotten more aggressive and honestly no, we didn't read the link. First we were travelling, then we got distracted, then we got sick and didn't care. Like, honestly I was buying groceries so we didn't have to go out to eat and we thought the deadline was an hour later. But also to be honest, since we're townreading rayn, we accepted what he said anyway. Our phrasing may have been bad. We didn't feel like DP was really scumhunting, but it doesn't really look that way anymore and we don't think it matters anyway given EoD. | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On December 12 2015 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the last game i remember playing with DarthPunk when we were both town. This is his filter in the game. Basically i know DP is usually aggressive and i can see where you are coming from. Obviously it's nor out of the realm of possibilities he is mafia here, but i disagree in him not being "aggressive enough" makes him mafia.He treats different people differently, and i know for a fact he buddies to strong players (if you read the filter the "proof" is there). Basically this game is filled with people who in my opinion do not respond well -- or at all -- to pressure, at least unfounded pressure (i mean situations where the game has went on for hours and there is not really anything scummy in thread -- disagree?). At the time you called him out, what in your opinion should he have done as town? Should he have questioned something? Should he have pressured something more? In my opinion, when i read the thread at that point, i didn't see anything wrong -- which is i, myself decided to comment on the only read i could be even semi-sure of. Also bringing up Imperial is in my opinion a bit of a misjudgement (or what the fuck is the word). He replaced into a game on N3...... Of course there is going to be some reads he has rofl. If he hadn't any reads on a thread that is @ N3, he could just quit mafia. Comparing that game to this one (at 6 hours into the game with only 3 people properly even posting) is quite a stretch. What rayn actually said, Rels. He says our read based on aggression is NAI and that DP buddies regardless. That's probably true and we see no reason for rayn to lie to us, given we don't have as much experience with DP. Now, we didn't like that he didn't seem to be scumhunting and used the buddying and lack of aggression as an example. In the last post you quoted, you missed the salient point. We felt that DP was a non-entity in the thread. That goes beyond buzzwords like "buddying" or "aggression," don't you think? In the end, we trusted rayn that buddying and lack of aggression alone doesn't make DP scum and couldn't be assed to do a meta dive. | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On December 14 2015 23:44 Rels wrote: OK, so I missed it on your last post, he was potential scum for being a non-entity. This has nothing to do with being a non-entity, so I don't understand why you changed your mind ? EoD changed my mind, and Lexy likes a lot of his recent posting. See the initial reads thread we made this morning. | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On December 15 2015 00:36 Rels wrote: Alright. Why is GM townie for scumreading Damdred & rayn, when he dropped these scumreads at the most opportunistic time (deadline) ? You agreed with Damdred & rayn probing me concerning the marv vote here: GM found Damdred scummy about the way Damdred probed me concerning the marv vote: Why do you townread GM for attacking Damdred because Damdred did something you agreed with ? You're right. If we'd townread GM for attacking Damdred specifically for that reason, rather than because pushing damdred and rayn is a high-risk, low-reward play with scum marv afk...that would be weird. | ||
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RtaniSoul
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On December 15 2015 00:43 Rels wrote: Your reason for townreading GM isn't good then. It's "scum wouldn't do that!" It's similar for your reason for townreading me. "scum!Rels wouldn't vote someone else than marv at EOD!" They're weak. If those were our only reasons, then yes, they would be weak. Also, rayn's reasons for townreading GM are excellent lol >< | ||
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I must be getting especially bitchy lol | ||
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