Evening all. Usual plea for everyone to avoid spam if possible - if few meaningful posts was good enough for Foolishness in that game he played in the guide, it's good enough for us. Also I know at least me and Dani work quite intense jobs, so it's very hard to keep up if there's 10 new pages every time I come back.

So that people know, the people in the game I know best are Half the Sky and Rels. I've been town with both, supervised both when I GMed and was Mafia with Rels once. I also have played with a lot of the rest of you before, including Moosy, Lightning Strike, Onegu and Damdred. I don't know DYH, trfel, dis, Kush or Palmar very well.

Early on, I'd say the easiest scum read is Shining. He posted asking why he was here, then about trumpets, then he went quiet. It's early, so it's lean.

DYH's question of Rels seems towny, although I also think Rels' entrance was kind of towny, albeit wrongheaded. When he's Mafia Rels buddies up with everyone he likes and relentlessly fights with anyone who calls him out. I wouldn't expect a Mafia Rels to jump in and start picking fights so early, even about blues.

Everyone else is null.

I'm on GMT so it's way past my bed-time. Night all.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

December 01 2015 09:42 GMT

#297

Morning folks.

So I have two competing thoughts about Shining. The first is that I entirely agree with Palmar about why Shining's play makes no sense. I'd also add that it's even more strange that his 'read' on me seemed almost entirely OMGUS, but then as soon as HTS made a point against me in her thread entry, he adopted it and parroted it as the new reason he didn't like me. The second is that he and Palmar seem very invested in this fight - much more so than seems warranted by the early stage of the game. They have been back and forth, what, five or six times now? Almost to the exclusion of everyone else. The 'better' play as town is plainly to apologise for bad thread entry (which Shining did, admittedly, do) and then to turn attention elsewhere (which neither Palmar or Shining have done). The only thing I have to say in Shining's defence is that his rebuttal's read very heartfelt. That can be something that is hard to replicate as mafia, and it's giving me pause here. I would say Shining is a very slight scum read for me, but I wouldn't vote for him as yet.

Also - morning Rels. Re my read on you - I've watched you play enough games as mafia now to think I have a reasonable handle on your meta. Yes, you are totally capable of breaking your meta, but your "I give no fucks" tone and posting content is town Rels to me.

Lightning Strike's entrance seems way over the top to me, especially for him. Usually he comes in and posts some relatively anodyne 1-liners, whereas here he came in with a big long paragraph attacking someone (Trfel I think) for calling him out earlier. In my experience, town LS is much more relaxed and jokey, until he starts getting attacked seriously (which I don't think had happened by that point). Then again, LS is primo lynch-bait D1, so I'll try and avoid getting too tunnelled for now.

My one heretical thought at the moment is that Dani might be mafia. I know, I know. It's more of a hunch than a real read, but I'm just not feeling it from her posts so far. Town Dani that I've known usually goes in one direction, then another, and she has an almost relentless quality. Too many of her posts last night were backtracking on things she had already said, and it's not clear she reached anything much of a landing point. It could be because it's early and because she's tired though.

Moosy is posting the same kind of rubbish that he posted in our first Newbie game together. In that game he was new and was inadvertently trying some sort of Chezinu--style baits. Which, in fairness, worked. Then when he was mafia and I was town, he was super super serious all game. Obviously if he doesn't contribute further then at some point we will have to lynch him for being useless / lynch all lurkers, but for now I give him a slight town read.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

December 01 2015 10:13 GMT

#304

On December 01 2015 19:07 Rels wrote:
@Fidei: OK. What part of my first post was "wrongheaded" or whatever was the word you used ?

This was actually a mistake on my part. I found myself totally agreeing with your view on the blue claim, but then someone pointed out that the mafia would know the setup anyway. That is usually how it is. But then I read the OP a couple of times and I couldn't see anywhere that the mafia would know. So perhaps it wasn't wrongheaded. Had you read the OP when you made that post?

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

December 01 2015 10:17 GMT

#306

On December 01 2015 18:48 Trfel wrote:
Fidei86, did you see the WIFOM that MoosyDoosy was using before the game?

Given how aware he is of his own meta, and the events of last game (a lengthy discussion about whether MoosyDoosy would intentionally be useless as mafia to trick everyone using his meta), are you still happy with this read?

And if this is a read that you are happy with it now, imagine that this continues for another day or two. Why would you then need to lynch MoosyDoosy? Why would this make your townread invalid?

Anyway, I really need to go to bed. Good night.

Everything you're saying is true. Moosy being useless isn't alignment indicative. I see no reason to try and get a read from the big pile of crap he has posted so far. It could easily come from either alignment. My view at the moment is to see how it plays out over the rest of the day.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

December 01 2015 10:18 GMT

#307

On December 01 2015 19:17 Rels wrote:

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Yes. I don't like that useless question that follows the explanation of what I should say to be townie.

It's not useless. If you were Mafia and you hadn't received a post, you'd know it wasn't there. The rest of us assumed that it was there, because it usually is.

Then again you'd be unlikely to fall into that trap, so maybe it was useless. Oh well.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

December 01 2015 10:24 GMT

#309

Um, not quite. It's more of a total gut read from me, that she's not being candid with her thoughts. You and she both know that she's my favourite person on this site by miles, so I'm not going to just blindly tunnel her. I just wondered if anyone else agrees with my thinking.