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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 24 2015 00:04 GMT
#43
/in
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 24 2015 02:51 GMT
#59
/confirm

glad to be back
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 24 2015 18:16 GMT
#103
palmar the game hasnt even started yet. go back to sharpening your pitchfork.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 24 2015 20:43 GMT
#118
yes dear
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 24 2015 23:24 GMT
#162
On July 25 2015 08:06 scott31337 wrote:
1/75
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 07:49 KelsierSC wrote:
It's a real shame that I have to waste one of my posts on this but I guess...time? is something people have trouble with.
After I died in Gaiden I played in a newbie game and in lost but not forgotten, I rolled vt in both.

bf perhaps you have an excuse of being overeager but scott you were in the newbie game with me.

scott has been pretty wasteful so far, this comment is rather silly

On July 25 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Hmm, cuz I thought Kei's post was the scummiest so far.


considering there is more than one scum, so if I make an allegedly scummy post no one else can be scum?


##Give 5 posts to KelsierSC
If I actually go thru 80 posts in a cycle I would impress myself to be honest.

I know there's three scum - I haven't liked VT claims since my second game, and neither should you - It's not as bad as LS claiming when the breeze blows by is what I was stating.

GB didn't reply that he was my friend, just that he is town - I'm town too but not the response I wanted.

Palmar speaking the truth, he's probably my favorite player next to HF.

Rsoul already seems different this game - could be a good sign.

When you say Palmar speaks truth...what exactly are you referring to and why is he your favorite? Favorite for town or scum?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 24 2015 23:59 GMT
#165
Anyone interested in contesting the claims or are we going to just ignore that? For reference, my thoughts are onegu good, rayn indifferent.

I also don't get how Palmar literally claiming Mafia is conducive to being "blunt and to the point" as town.

Or kenpachI ruling people. Someone teach me how to kenpachI rule.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 25 2015 02:30 GMT
#180
On July 25 2015 11:19 Snickers wrote:
also only two of those reads are more than a slight read, but considering there seems to be so many people here and only a few posts 20 minutes in it makes me think there are probably two scum here now.

I have no clue percentage wise how many have talked versus in game.

What time do you think the game started? Can you actually explain your shit post of reads? Like you've called someone scum and you don't even know who you're talking about.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 26 2015 02:45 GMT
#391
On July 26 2015 11:21 Snickers wrote:
**Huge Snipping occurs**

he is protecting onegu here but if u actually thought about onegu's original post and how he dodged my follow up questions it makes onegu look super fucking scummy if you want i will explain why onegu looks scummy if you dont see it.

says onegu claim is stronger than rains but back it up with no fucking facts. mind you hes still on stuff from what the first page of the game?

next part. rains claim was a fucking joke stop fucking talking about it. and this is a semi open game who the fuck cares onegu claimed named town. why did he claim it? to make himself look town which he isnt.


lynch him plz. and realize onegu claim is fake as shit

Break it down for us.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 26 2015 02:52 GMT
#394
On July 26 2015 11:50 Snickers wrote:
hopeless do one thing that is townie day one? okay?

Yeah thats not how it works with me. Im like the scummiest player ever
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 26 2015 03:35 GMT
#395
Snickers I disagree with you on onegu, but I think you're town.

a. claimed named town (No CC)
Null/ Townlean imo. Certainly not instant scumread like you wish to imply.

b. Bussing + Sheeping

How the everloving fuck could you know this unless you were scum with him? Are you admitting you are scum?

I get your point about the whole CC being not indicative, but your estimates of 1/20 or 19/20 chances are ludicrous.




I cant read rayn, and if I get into a pissing contest I will lose. Please have mercy, rayn.



Re: Scott
Notice how I have 3 whole voters and one of them is scott
Also note the timestamps


On July 26 2015 01:24 Half the Sky wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count


---> Hopeless1der (3): raynpelikoneet, Clarity_nl, scott31337
rsoultin (2): Onegu, Snickers
raynpelikoneet (1): Palmar
KelsierSC (0): Snickers

Not voted (7): KelsierSC, FirmTofu, boxerfred, ObiWanShinobi, rsoultin, GlowingBear, Hopeless1der

As the wind blows, Hopeless1der is staring death in the face.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
The live voting tracker is located here.
Please FORMAT YOUR VOTES CORRECTLY in the voting thread or the script will not pick your vote up!


Okay, now read this shitty list post from scott, look at who's voting me and what his thoughts are on those players:

On July 26 2015 07:13 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's shitty spreadsheet at the moment -

1 KelsierSC null - questioned me on the VT claim, but it felt weird how he did it.
2 FirmTofu null/scumlean - little posting, nothing sticks out.
3 Onegu named town no CC, going after rsolutin for being angry too early, but she doesn't seem that angry (scummy angry) YET.
4 Snickers others like him but I don't see why? (notably Clarity, rsoul) Calls me mafia - suspicious
5 raynpelikoneet Started off good but has faided, slight town lean
6 Clarity_nl null / slight scum? Wants to lynch me
7 boxerfred Nothing special, six posts of meh - scumlean
8 ObiWanShinobi Didn't see scum motivation from his post to me - little posting - null
9 rsoultin Slight townlean, not too angry - keep an eye to see if she does the magic trick if not just lynch D4.
10 GlowingBear second part d1 looking better, not too angry either - asking townie questions - townlean
11 Palmar townlean for a Palmar d1 day.
12 scott31337 town
13 Hopeless1der scumlean, first post was bad - but suspicious/scummy voters on him so need to watch for that.


Would lynch.
##Vote scott31337


As an aside, it annoys me when people bring up my first post and say its "forced" or "bad" with no further commentary on WHY its forced or bad.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 26 2015 03:55 GMT
#402
On July 26 2015 12:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hope, I don't understand the point of your scott case?
Elaborate for me?

Can I just say "waffle" and leave it at that?

@GB re kelsier

I see a number of somewhat explained town reads in his filter but little to no scum reads and vague "I'd lynch this guy...maybe" vibes. Not feeling great about kelsier but I would really want to lynch him today.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 26 2015 03:56 GMT
#403
Ebwop *wouldn't really want to lynch him today.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 28 2015 01:07 GMT
#902
On July 28 2015 10:02 GlowingBear wrote:
The fact that you're relying on rayn's read on her is very suspicious, I must say.

Do you know why Rayn called rsoultin Mafia in the first place?

do YOU know why rayn called rsoul mafia?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 28 2015 01:09 GMT
#904
On July 28 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 10:06 Palmar wrote:
I can't believe you're actually both mafia but this page heavily suggests you might be


Please, palmar. You're scumreading rsoultin over WIFOM and associating it with me.

Rsoultin was pushing and is still pushing your main scumread clarity. Suddenly, you forget clarity and go against rsoultin. Why?

DONT QUESTION DETECTIVE PALMAR'S BRILLIANCE
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 28 2015 01:16 GMT
#907
I'd lynch rsoul primarily because rayn said so.

I'm actually rereading FT and rayn right now and also trying to work out if theres anything from a votecount perspective for mafia trying to save FT

btw, rayn had rsoul AND palmar as mafia because they failed to see FT as scummy.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 28 2015 01:21 GMT
#911
On July 28 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:
8/80

yeah of course scum is going to say sheep town!rayn on town!rsoul

you better fucking come up with your own reason for scumreading me or you're next when i flip town ^^


So by that logic I can interchange scum for town and town for scum right?

So:

"yeah of course town is going to say sheep town!rayn on scum!rsoul"


I mean, that makes perfect sense to me.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 28 2015 01:23 GMT
#913
On July 27 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 05:00 rsoultin wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Me being whatever (i am actually good) at reading her is not a reason to doubt my read on Palmar.
Those two things are unrelated. She is using an argument that has nothing to do with what i say about Palmar to discredit me.


if you're town you will listen to me

if you are not town you may succeed in mislynching me again which would be fucking infuriating, but everyone else will take note

yes, you are or at least keep insisting that you are actually good at reading me...i actually have seen no evidence of this apart from titanic since you rolled scum in all 3 of the last 3 games we played together

but if you're this fucking wrong on me who you're supposed to actually have an inkling of how to read, and i think that palmar is objectively much harder to read than i could ever be, then clearly your reads can't be trusted

ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT SCUMREADING US BECAUSE WE WANT TO LYNCH CLARITY OVER TOFU?!

because if you are you're being fucking idiotic

I am scumreading you because you aren't doing shit and saying dumb things and/or using dumb narratives to discredit my thoughts. I am being, like i have been, honest here, i lynched you in the other game because you were scummy. You were. Obviously you were town, but you weren't doing shit. Obviously that was because you were playing two games at once and didn't have time but it does not change the fact you didn't do shit. You are not doing shit here. I don't find any intelligent comments from you. I just fucking don't.

Palmar goes to same pile. I actually hold you two in the highest regards in the players in this game. I cannot understand why netiher of you cannot fucking see why what FirmTofu is doing is scummy as fuck and i cannot understand how you can possibly think Clarity is a better lynch than FT just because he is inactive.

Like feel free to go ahead and lynch Clarity, i am telling you he will flip fucking town.
FirmTofu will not.
Kelsier will flip town.
I have no idea what Scott will flip.

So yeah. It doesn't help i have to wake up at 4 am so i REALLY gotta go in like 15 minutes.

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 28 2015 01:24 GMT
#915
On July 28 2015 10:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 10:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'd lynch rsoul primarily because rayn said so.

I'm actually rereading FT and rayn right now and also trying to work out if theres anything from a votecount perspective for mafia trying to save FT

btw, rayn had rsoul AND palmar as mafia because they failed to see FT as scummy.


No hopeless. Rayn had rsoultin as Mafia because she said she couldn't trust his other reads because he was reading her as Mafia.

What kind of circular logic is this? GB come on bro...
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 28 2015 01:29 GMT
#920
On July 28 2015 10:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:54 rsoultin wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:48 rsoultin wrote:
On July 27 2015 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you're shit at reading Palmar but i am wrong on him?


lol you guys love to focus in on this

i've told you why i think he's town and i've admitted i could be wrong cause i know i'm not good at reading him. so what? like, do you have a case on palmar i didn't see? i'm not just going to sheep you on him when i think he's town and i have no clue if i should trust your read over mine because i don't know how good you are at reading him. i suspect not very. he's fucking palmar -_-

I ma very good at reading Palmar.


proof or it didn't happen

i trust myself
i trust certain players on particular other players if i'm townreading them
i trust a townread palmar's d1 reads to some extent if i at least get a similar feel

like, seriously, how can you expect me to trust you when you're not even sure and you're scumreading me in the same breath for god knows what reason?

i suspect association, personally, which just makes me want to facepalm. maybe you're right on tofu but i really think clarity is the better lynch today because i see scum there where tofu could just be bad town?

here is why rsoultin is mafia.

I said this before and i say this again. I don't care to google the english words for what this is, look at foolishness' post about "book of bad arguments".

"I cant trust your other reads because you cant even read me here".

I am serious i have never seen rsoultin say anything this stupid in a game of mafia.
She is scum, i dont care what she posts. This is enough.

Palmar is also scum.


Here, hopeless.

yeah, my quote was earlier. good try bud. Lets move on.

On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Calling this game now. Mafia team is Clarity, scott, and Kelsier. It's just so perfect.

Who thinks there are scum in that list? I think those are all townies.

Also for giggles:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 27 2015 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Calling this game now. Mafia team is me, rsoultin, and Palmar. It's just so perfect.




I think I just poe'd myself down to rsoul boxer and obiwan
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 28 2015 01:33 GMT
#922
On July 28 2015 10:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Congratulations, you've made a Mafia team of 4 out of 3

that was a list of people i'd lynch....I know how to count GB
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