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Meanwhile, a few questions: 1) What's the difference between shadowing and coaching? 2) I think I know what a Smurf is, but why is it called that? 3) What's a Hydra? Thanks! | ||
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2) Oh, that would make good sense 3) I would guess that Hydras aren't allowed unless the host says otherwise? | ||
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Excited about the theme, though! | ||
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On June 08 2015 05:25 Onegu wrote: Yeah Ill give descriptions. Making me be all not lazy and shit. You should be ashamed That's the weird thing, though! I'm not even ashamed! :D Thanks for the descriptions. I'm a little confused by the Rabbot though. If he's a scum Vigilante, does that mean that when he uses his ability, the scum team can attack 2 separate targets that night? (or even attack the same target twice, if they really wanted to?) | ||
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On June 08 2015 06:46 Half the Sky wrote: Yep, kp from either vigilante is separate from default mafia kp. Sick! Anyone else starting to hope they draw a scum role in this game? <.< >.> | ||
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On June 09 2015 04:25 Fecalfeast wrote: This is what I expect from town Isn't that always the level of play that is expected from Town, in a Newbie game? :D | ||
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On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote: I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that. I'm gathering information to base my reads upon. I can only evaluate what I've read so far. Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations. You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. | ||
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On June 12 2015 08:45 batsnacks wrote: 5. Don't lie. RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me. Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch. | ||
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Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos Make posts and be active, yes. But don't make posts JUST so that you can say you've been active. If our posts are focused, and if we prioritize quality over quantity, it will give the bad guys less opportunity to shroud themselves with all the clutter. Game started on Page 7, and by Page 9, we were already violating this principle. On Page 9, Trfel is quoting his OWN posts from Page 8 and insisting that people counter his argument or follow his vote. Give people more than a couple of hours to show up and read and comment, before you ask why they aren't commenting and start repeating yourself. On Page 9, batsnacks posts some philosophy about the nature of danger. I'm sure he won't make a habit of posting things like that, because it's just filler, and filler is exactly what we don't need. I'm not going to spend the rest of the game keeping a running tally of all the times people are clogging up the thread with posts that are devoid of content. This is a one-shot thing. But I hope people will take the message to heart, because that's an excerpt from the Guide that I really think is spot on. And with that said, I'll be making a bunch of posts tonight before bed (including one with a vote!) but I'll try to make sure that each of them is saying or asking something worthwhile. | ||
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On June 12 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote: I disagree. He wouldn't dare say this as scum, unless he actually believes that it is acceptable and beneficial for town to lie. And as town, he would only say this if he actually believes it (yes, I see the irony). Either alignment, he's saying something that he believes to be true, so this isn't alignment indicative. It's not just about what he might believe to be true. It's the carefree nature with which he shared his beliefs. Even if a Mafia player thought it was in the Town's best interests for Townies to lie about certain things, he might still have reservations about saying so, because of how it could be perceived. RuXx stated his opinion/belief without fear of consequence (maybe without even considering the consequence). That doesn't sound like Newbie Scum to me. Newbie Scum: Cautious Newbie Blue Role: Somewhat Cautious Newbie Vanilla: Excited to try and scumhunt, without worrying too much about his own image in the game If RuXx is scum, then the Vanilla claim was a very nice touch, because it fits with the rest of his demeanor. | ||
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On June 12 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: I don't think it would be productive for town for me to defend ruxxar. He's a big boy. It's productive for Town for you to defend him, IF he is also Town. We can expect that at some point a few of the Newbies will need help with defending themselves (I could easily end up being one of them). And no, that shouldn't be your primary focus, but we all have a responsibility to try and prevent a mislynch when possible. Two posts later is when you told us all about repetition of danger. Was that productive for the Town? Side note: I don't know if there are any female players in the game, so if I refer to a "her" as a "him" please correct me. | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:11 geript wrote: IDK what moosy is honestly. I kinda think he's mafia because for the most part no one commented on what's like the easiest post to shit all over but I'm the only person who's seemingly have a thought about him. Don't care too much for this reasoning. This early in the game, it could easily have been the case that 2 of the 3 Mafia members hadn't even seen the post yet. Or the Mafia members could all be Newbies who don't even know what posts they should be looking to shit all over. At this stage, your top suspect(s) should be someone that you think is more likely to be Mafia than the average player. But it's a little crazy for you to already classify someone as being more likely to be Mafia than to be Town. There are 12 other players besides yourself. If you're Town, 9 of those other players are Town. Every other player is 75% likely to be Town. Someone says something suspicious, maybe you bump him down to 72%, and he's the most likely player to be Mafia now. Bumping someone below 50%? That should take something pretty serious. Much more dramatic than the kind of thing you're talking about. | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote: First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me. They weren't. He's pretty clearly just joking around. Kickstart wrote: Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there. Firstly, nothing has been the topic of "much debate" yet, when the game has only been going for a few hours. Secondly, I still maintain that it is the scum player that would be more "wary of answering." It is a Town player that would "see an easy opportunity to seem helpful" and act on it, without worrying about the "interaction going on there." It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said. You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Ì wanna lynch kickstart man. That case is forcing a read hard. Yes, it's forcing a read hard. But I don't know that scum Kickstart would have much motivation to force a read that hard, early in Day 1. He can't be pushing RuXx to try and defend a mafia teammate that is in vote trouble, because no one was really in vote trouble. So the mafia barely cares who the Day 1 lynch will be. It's not like he's afraid of RuXx as a player, when he's on the Newbie list. And it's not like he's TOO afraid that RuXx is a power role that is gonna wreck his plans, when RuXx is a Newbie that insta-claimed Vanilla. (This possibility is more likely than the first, but still not real likely.) I don't see a reason for scum Kickstart to cause a stir, and draw attention to himself, by trying to make sure that RuXx is the Day 1 lynch. Oatsmaster wrote: Stop asking people to do your work for you. If you really think that your previous town and scumgames have a huge difference in the way you post, then show some examples if you want to use that as a reason for people to townread you. On this, however, I completely agree with you. It isn't reasonable for Kickstart to expect people he's never played with before (who might even be playing here for the first time) to go read his previous games. Kickstart wrote: Pretty much done interacting with you. Yeah, this attitude is not helpful, obviously. If you're Town, there's a pretty good (statistical) likelihood that Oatsmaster is a teammate of yours. If he reads you wrong, then he's making more work for you, because you have to help him overcome it. Oh well, too bad. Help him overcome it. Kickstart wrote: I asked people to do no work. If someone scum reads me for my general posting or the way I play, then THEY should read my fucking game history because they have no fucking reason to be suspicious of my posting style or playstyle if they don't know how I normally post or play. They aren't comparing your play to a "baseline reading" of how YOU normally play. They're comparing it to a baseline reading of how Town and Mafia players normally play. | ||
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On June 12 2015 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Scum tier: Geript, noobking 2 ez Keep working!  | ||
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On June 12 2015 16:29 Oatsmaster wrote: well you are telling everyone how to do shit so you mustve had some experience. On a scale of 1-10, how experienced are you. Everything is relative. I don't have any context for how experienced I am vs. yourself, or vs. the average player in this game, or vs. the average player on these forums. But if I tried to answer your question...3? 4, maybe? | ||
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On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote: @king Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum? Some players are almost impossible to judge so far. I think FakePlants has been a virtual non-participant to this point, and I think boxerfred has been a literal non-participant (I do not remember seeing one post from him yet). I voted against batsnacks. 1) I can understand him being upset about ruXxar's roleclaim, but I don't get using it as the basis for voting against him. 2) When I tried to engage him in discussion about the likely motivations for ruXxar's actions, batsnacks withdrew, basically telling me that it isn't his job to help any other player defend themselves. 3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more. | ||
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