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Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 04 2015 21:28 GMT
#899
Sup people.

First reaction - really wish that JK had claimed earlier than 1 minute before EoD jesus fucking christ.

I'm baked and wired ATM, still only on page 15.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 04 2015 21:29 GMT
#901
On June 05 2015 06:28 Fidei86 wrote:
[Can we post again?]


Yes. Obviously.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 04 2015 21:35 GMT
#908
On June 05 2015 06:30 milo109 wrote:
Sorry. I should have voted Chocolate instead of just unvoting. I panicked.


What I'd like to know what the "panic" was for...sounds like he was afraid.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 04 2015 21:36 GMT
#909
Never mind.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 04 2015 21:48 GMT
#914
On the topic of votes, NHM and Onegu were solo voters - did those two push their votes in any way or scumread either of the wagons at any point? Doesn't look like Onegu was around for end of day.

Still on page 23.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 18:58 GMT
#992
I'm back. Had to go to bed when I replaced in. Still on page 35.

As of that point Chocolate didn't look so great, his post on page 23 made it sound like he was trying to scumread people for reasons that didn't necessarily make them scum. Not sure if some of his reads are horribly contrived.

Reading his posts, Milo just seems like panicked scum between his initial reactions and his post-lynch reactions, but I'm sure as I continue to read I'm sure I'll have questions answered as to why people moved off him latter D1.

I can't blame anyone for policy lynching me. sicklucker really didn't do shit and I'd scum his slot if I wasn't in it. But as town, I will do what I can to get some informative reads out there before you all decide to lynch me.

Only other thing that comes to mind is the way Tictock scumread Damdred before I went to bed.

Tictock called Damdred (if I recall right) for "starting a wagon" on his target, but I don't know why he wouldn't consider the fact that he's starting a wagon to gather information or because he legit scums someone. Those I think are town reasons to start a wagon. I am assuming he's experienced enough to know this. That's something that jumped out at me. Not sure if he's trying to put it out there just to look good.

I'm sure I'll have more complete thoughts when I'm fully caught up but those are things that jumped out to me for now.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 18:59 GMT
#993
Also I don't understand how video mafia influences people's reads. I've not done this video mafia thing. Not sure if it's being used as a random excuse for certain types of reads. I am not terrible experienced at this so...
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:01 GMT
#994
Onegu and NHM as I said before were solo votes. Onegu being pushed as a possible scum target, and if he's lurking, this mean he probably didn't really push the case or at least people don't remember him as doing so. He says he did though.

But if he didn't that probably a scum tell.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:03 GMT
#996
On June 06 2015 02:51 ritoky wrote:
TT also seemed overly upset/miffed by the vote for how little he did to try and stop it/get his target lynched. Seems like a bit of a disproportionate response. I guess a lot of people already said that but gonna echo it.


I would also agree with this.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:14 GMT
#998
Onegu claimed VT from looking at his filter.

Does he do this as one alignment more than another? Anyone know?

I don't understand the motivation as either alignment to do that.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:19 GMT
#1001
Sigh. Alright. I'll just assume that's not indicative then for now.

It just seems bad if he actually is VT since that just narrows down whoever could be another blue.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:31 GMT
#1003
Alright, took more looking at Onegu's filter. Is he trolling or just posting just to post?

Chocolate and Milo being on the same team? really?

Calling Fidei as either blue or scum - why? And why out another blue as town? That really makes no sense when I see no other reason to scumread Fidei from his point of view?

He scumreads VE early on but votes Damdred? That is a jump in logic to me.

Onegu is probably scum.

Moving on to other people...
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:34 GMT
#1005
I mean, Chocolate and Milo being on the same team because of their meaning. That's dumb if Onegu isn't trolling.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:47 GMT
#1007
On June 06 2015 04:32 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 00:31 Damdred wrote:
Response to case:

1) Scum can not care about the lynch generally if people are on town. Scum can decide to just not care about be around for the lynch if its going there way that day. KS was very active at all points of the game before final day leading up to the lynch.

2) The points against KS aren't that bad and are pretty solid, you even call them not horrible. You just disagreed with them. That doesn't make them bad.

3) Nobody has ever explained why i'm middle of the road, I have distinct town reads and distinct scum reads. Just don't get the point and it doesn't make me scum, if I wasn't taking hard stances on people I could see thep oint but I have.

4) scum reading people while they aren't in the thread isn't alignment indicative O_o, if you keep things until someones here you won't get a lot of work done in 24 hours. By comparison I could say that you are guilty of the same thing when its clear that I am not in the thread why would you do such a thing.

I was wrong, kick played his claim badly and got killed. That doesn't make me scum, what you are saying though is that one of the most vocal players in the thread, who took one of the most drastic stances in the game and pushed a lynch until it happens is scum. None of this makes me scum and in fact its not a very strong case that generally follows a narrative with you fitting in this stuff to try to make me look scummy


So my initial reaction here, is to say something about Damdred returning to his "middle of the road" style here. However... that is not the response I would have expected from a Scum!Damdred to my case. I was pretty sure he'd be pushing me super hard with GG. + Show Spoiler +
who is like kinda following the game? I'm not sure what to make of GG... I'll get back to him later.


1 is actually a good point, but is only valid if we assume that there was no wagons on scum. It's possible, but I'm wary of that since Choco was the lynch prior to Kick and the Kick wagon started just in time to give Choco a safe place to go. It's super WIFOM but a team of Dam, GG, Choco could make sense given how things went down, but yea.. wifom.

On Points 2 and 3 I just disagree? It sounds lame, but I def did not find your case on Kick super solid. There were decent points, but I def think you were mostly playing off his wall-o-text writing style. I've tried to explain why I find your style suspicious. I also feel uneasy with this style of play right now given how you and ritoky seem to have a "thing" going on. I'm not saying you two are a team here, I dont see anything to suggest that, just that you two seem to have a history and that might have allowed you to push your way of thinking on him, similarly to how townreading people kinda gives them a sense you are their friend. Am I making sense here? I might be overthinking it, but it's def something that has me looking hard at Dam right now.

4, Granted you did call me out when you thought I was acting pretty scummy right away. I prob shouldn't have glanced at thread as I was getting ready to leave then let myself respond all pissed off kus it really looked like you were doing a similar push on afk me like happened with Kick.

I will admit a few things. My initial post after EoD was definitely placing blame, I didn't really intend it that way + Show Spoiler +
That was really just my honest "OMG I can't believe that just happened" reaction post
, but it def reads that way. I had spent most of the time we were waiting for Night post relooking at the last page or two, and I started to wonder if Kick had anything to backup his accusations towards Dam & Choco. It is likely I got caught up in overreading Kicks posts and joining into his OMGUS thinking towards Dam. I think the idea has some merit, especially after looking through some filters, but I really haven't seen anything solid to back it up which makes me believe it may well have just been OMGUS thinking.

I'm not willing to clear him as scum, but his response is what I would expect from Town who thought they had solid reasons to push that wagon. There is definitely nothing clear cut about how EoD went down, and the timing of stuff felt so weird to me. I think it deserves at least one last look over, but since my urge to chase Dam with Fire right now could well be the beginnings of a tunnel I'm going to hold off till we have a little more info in Day phase.

@Dam
I'm not a huge fan of meta reads, but if you share some of your past games (maybe one as either alignment) it may help me understand your style a little better. I know my first experience with SL had me scumming him so hard just kus of how he plays, I might be in a similar trap here.


English isn't my first language - so I'll just say that I understand this middle of the road thing means he's not taking a position. If I'm wrong someone correct me.

His case on Kick means he had a read on him it was wrong but he still had a read on him. He took some position. If he was apprehensive on taking a position he wouldn't have had a case on him. I mean you disagree with his case great, but you can't scumread him for being middle of the road. I mean I'm just reading your post and you make it clear he's taking a position. So I don't get that at all.

Are you trying to force a read on Damdred? I mean if Damdred is scum it's not for what you are saying.

The whole ritoky/Damdred association makes no sense. Those two from their postcount seem like they have been around.

Just because they are experienced I mean that would put one person in a better position to read another one way, not sure why meta reads make you more suspicious of someone. I don't see how you are seeing that negatively or positively.

I mean if there is a meta read being messed about - there's only 3 scum out of 12 people left, I would assume someone else here will call them out at some point? Fudging meta reads should be a deterrent if there's enough experienced people around. At least I think that's a safe assumption to make.

I don't understand some of the potential associative reads being made, this is one of them.

I can understand why meta reads you might be hesistant to trust. But how they use those reads to push or figure out the game with more evidence, I think is more critical.

If I'm not misunderstanding anything I think tictock is trying to force a read on Damdred. Which I think shows scum behaviour.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:49 GMT
#1008
Like I think Onegu looks bad for scumreading Viscera early on, not doing anything with it and then randoming throwing a vote on Damdred. If Damdred isn't doing anything with his reads then it's a problem. So I'm just confused at best on your position on him.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:55 GMT
#1011
No I have not played with Onegu. You are right about that.

If you think I'm wrong based on your experience, fine, I am just looking at his filter now and just trying my best.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 19:57 GMT
#1012
Although if you could explain why I'm wrong that would be helpful.

If Onegu is just a weird poster in general then I'm probably going to give myself a headache trying to read him.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 20:26 GMT
#1015
I went through his gameplay for Assassination and Newbie VIII and XXX. Sigh. I see what you mean.
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 21:01 GMT
#1017
I'm going to try and get reads on NHM and Templar since they haven't been in the thread when I've been and don't want to ignore those two. Hopefully before I go to bed...
Shendelzare
Profile Joined May 2015
Netherlands126 Posts
June 05 2015 21:02 GMT
#1018
On June 06 2015 05:52 Damdred wrote:
I'm much more sure on n than on tick


n being NHM?
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