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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 02:52 GMT
#9
What an interesting setup.

Very tempting.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 03:58 GMT
#17
On April 20 2015 12:49 rsoultin wrote:
so many of my favorite people <3
-growls-
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 04:22 GMT
#21
Oh, what the heck. Mafia is fun. Sorry for ruining your pristine player list.

/in
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 14:25 GMT
#40
On April 20 2015 22:09 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 20 2015 19:56 Breshke wrote:
I'm not sure if im ready to be the weak link in this player list haha.


-flops on-

we can be the weak link togetherz!
Hahahaha, pretty sure the weak link here is me XD
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 14:50 GMT
#42
I'm sure that Artanis approves of the way you spelled his name. Please, don't change it.

I wasn't expecting this to start so quickly o.O But I will play anyway, it should be fun! Even if I am very much out of place.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 20 2015 15:16 GMT
#44
On April 21 2015 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On April 20 2015 23:50 Trfel wrote:
I'm sure that Artanis approves of the way you spelled his name. Please, don't change it.

I wasn't expecting this to start so quickly o.O But I will play anyway, it should be fun! Even if I am very much out of place.

Actually, the spelling is fine, the capitalization is not.
He edited it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 00:05 GMT
#55
Hello.

I have a nasty programming project (well, it's actually extremely basic, but I am terrible at programming, so it's driving me insane). I'll check back here when I am done with the project.

I know, activity excuses already.

Good luck, and happy scumhunting!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 05:28 GMT
#186
On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##vote: waveofshadow
I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch.
##Vote WaveofShadow


why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol ><

if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that
On the contrary, that's the sentence that makes the joke. It's weak without it.

On April 21 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On April 21 2015 09:59 Breshke wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:55 Breshke wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:46 Breshke wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:37 rsoultin wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:34 Breshke wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote:
On April 21 2015 09:31 Breshke wrote:
[quote]

tentative town read for this post.


lol seriously? xP


Yeah haha all jokes aside in my limited experiance with art ive never seen him mention stats before so him referencing town stats and relating it to this game just seems like a weird way for a scum artanis to open.

This is obviously very weak hence the tentative part.


so you don't find it odd at all that he managed to enter with a post implying that he's town (via the stats comment) plus over-explaining what should be a joke-sheep of a joke-vote?

by over-explaining i mean:

On April 21 2015 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##vote: waveofshadow
I'm ok with any lynch that isn't me since I need to overtake kita in the not lynched as town percentage tab. Therefore, any lynch that is not me furthers this condition and I support this lynch.
##Vote WaveofShadow


why even include the bolded sentence when it's clear in the first lol ><

if anything that deserves a light scum lean, not a light town lean fitting awkwardly into the joking phase like that


Ehh I disagree. I don't see it as that awkward or over explainy really. I didn't/don't really see it as awkward either. Nor do i really think that awkward always equals scum.


Do you think her reading into it in that way says anything about her alignment?


No because i can see how she would see it that way

I actually think it makes her slightly likelier to be town as I find it unlikely scum would go in against a tone read of another player right off the bat.


I have no way to prove this but i actually had it written that it was slightly townie because i find her to be a lot more neutral as scum

You get a tentative townread for this post. More free towncred to the first person to correctly point out why.
Mafia wouldn't bother with suggesting something and admitting that it can't be proved in the same post, this early on, when it doesn't matter like this. Right?

I find it extremely surprising how WaveofShadow reacted to Breshke's vote. As if the third vote is any scummier than the first two on a joke wagon. It just means that Breshke didn't think of it first, that's all. I'm hoping that he did this to generate discussion. However, it seems that WaveofShadow didn't realize that votes are only counted every 24 hours. I suppose his play makes sense with this in mind.

I actually think that this makes WaveofShadow likely to be town, as mafia would have realized this via the scum QT (which you bet he would be checking this early in the game, and with three votes on him). Of course he could fake it anyway, but his posts seem genuine enough (including the frustrated tone), so I kind of doubt that this is the case. And this also falls apart if his partner is inactive. Still, I see this more as a town play. He feels frustrated, not panicked. And trying to make the most of the situation, not trying to save himself.
On April 21 2015 12:04 rsoultin wrote:
lol i thought he was mocking truffle with his post :/ that would have been so clever
Not really, mocking me is quite easy. You've proved this time and time again.

WaveofShadow's play does show some inconsistencies (minor), and some things that don't make sense. But I see them being in line with him being flustered over the opening. If this continues, though, perhaps more suspicion is warranted.

Town read on rsoultin just because making a strong townread on her early in the game is super popular
+ Show Spoiler +
Not a strong townread, but she immediately started the game by aggressively discussing and pointing things out. I don't think that rsoultin would have played like this, she would have been more content to let yamato77 and WaveofShadow fight. Plus, toneread. Hence, town lean.
.

+ Show Spoiler [to rsoultin] +
I wonder how long it will take you to learn the patterns of my entrance posts. And no, it's not a "hello world" program. We haven't learned to output two words yet, so it's just a "hello" program. To be honest, I'm stuck on step 1: turn the computer on.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 17:37 GMT
#213
Hello.

I have to leave for an exam in maybe a half hour. I really need to study.

Would anyone care to distract me?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 20:41 GMT
#253
On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.

Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.


when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things
I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want!

I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town,
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 20:48 GMT
#255
On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.

Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.


when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things
I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want!

I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town,


lol ><

the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP

oh yes, it was amazing, truffle

-golf claps-
Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why!

In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 21:02 GMT
#260
On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.

Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.


when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things
I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want!

I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town,


lol ><

the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP

oh yes, it was amazing, truffle

-golf claps-
Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why!

In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far?


in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder?

-yawn-

talk to me about people who have been posting ^^
I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious.

I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far.
On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work.
Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 21:06 GMT
#263
On April 22 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.

Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.


when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things
I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want!

I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town,


lol ><

the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP

oh yes, it was amazing, truffle

-golf claps-
Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why!

In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far?


in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder?

-yawn-

talk to me about people who have been posting ^^
I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious.

I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far.
On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work.
Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote.


what's the scum-motivation for this?
Imagine you are Artanis in this game. The game starts, you need to establish your thread presence, because that's what people expect of you. You start asking questions and probing, but the thread degenerates into random arguing and yelling, and is low on activity and quality. You've already contributed to the discussion and made your presence known, and if everyone else isn't going to make serious reads, there's no need to continue. Time to relax and sit back until town pulls itself together.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 21:11 GMT
#267
Waiting for rsoultin to respond before I respond...
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 21:17 GMT
#272
On April 22 2015 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.

Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.


when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things
I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want!

I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town,


lol ><

the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP

oh yes, it was amazing, truffle

-golf claps-
Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why!

In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far?


in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder?

-yawn-

talk to me about people who have been posting ^^
I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious.

I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far.
On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work.
Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote.


what's the scum-motivation for this?
Imagine you are Artanis in this game. The game starts, you need to establish your thread presence, because that's what people expect of you. You start asking questions and probing, but the thread degenerates into random arguing and yelling, and is low on activity and quality. You've already contributed to the discussion and made your presence known, and if everyone else isn't going to make serious reads, there's no need to continue. Time to relax and sit back until town pulls itself together.

Imagine you're Artanis in this game. You see two players that can be great as town doing fuck all. There is no hard deadline. You force them to participate by taking a back seat and take your time.
I give up. Rsoultin is slow, and she's probably town anyway.

I agree, you aren't forcing them to participate. Furthermore, in Palmar's case, he trolls quite often. As town. And it's not a weekend, so I don't know why you think more time would help. I skimmed your filter in Linux Mafia, and you didn't seem to mind Palmar's trolling all that much, I got the impression that you worked around it.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 21:18 GMT
#274
On April 22 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
[quote]

when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things
I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want!

I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town,


lol ><

the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP

oh yes, it was amazing, truffle

-golf claps-
Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why!

In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far?


in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder?

-yawn-

talk to me about people who have been posting ^^
I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious.

I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far.
On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work.
Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote.


what's the scum-motivation for this?
Imagine you are Artanis in this game. The game starts, you need to establish your thread presence, because that's what people expect of you. You start asking questions and probing, but the thread degenerates into random arguing and yelling, and is low on activity and quality. You've already contributed to the discussion and made your presence known, and if everyone else isn't going to make serious reads, there's no need to continue. Time to relax and sit back until town pulls itself together.

Imagine you're Artanis in this game. You see two players that can be great as town doing fuck all. There is no hard deadline. You force them to participate by taking a back seat and take your time.
I give up. Rsoultin is slow, and she's probably town anyway.

I agree, you aren't forcing them to participate. Furthermore, in Palmar's case, he trolls quite often. As town. And it's not a weekend, so I don't know why you think more time would help. I skimmed your filter in Linux Mafia, and you didn't seem to mind Palmar's trolling all that much, I got the impression that you worked around it.
EBWOP: I agree with WaveofShadow.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 21:23 GMT
#277
On April 22 2015 06:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 06:17 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:06 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:02 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want!

I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town,


lol ><

the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP

oh yes, it was amazing, truffle

-golf claps-
Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why!

In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far?


in all seriousness? you're asking me about the one-post wonder?

-yawn-

talk to me about people who have been posting ^^
I suppose you're right, it's best for me to keep my thoughts about Blazinghand to myself for the time being. I hope that you are curious.

I suppose Artanis looks the most suspicious to me so far.
On April 22 2015 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kind of in favour of waiting until BH and Palmar do something. We have all the time in the world this game, mind as well make them do some work.
Why didn't I make the list? Why is he so content to wait? I noticed that Artanis was probing with questions for information earlier, but lately he's dropped off, and now this quote.


what's the scum-motivation for this?
Imagine you are Artanis in this game. The game starts, you need to establish your thread presence, because that's what people expect of you. You start asking questions and probing, but the thread degenerates into random arguing and yelling, and is low on activity and quality. You've already contributed to the discussion and made your presence known, and if everyone else isn't going to make serious reads, there's no need to continue. Time to relax and sit back until town pulls itself together.

Imagine you're Artanis in this game. You see two players that can be great as town doing fuck all. There is no hard deadline. You force them to participate by taking a back seat and take your time.
I give up. Rsoultin is slow, and she's probably town anyway.

I agree, you aren't forcing them to participate. Furthermore, in Palmar's case, he trolls quite often. As town. And it's not a weekend, so I don't know why you think more time would help. I skimmed your filter in Linux Mafia, and you didn't seem to mind Palmar's trolling all that much, I got the impression that you worked around it.

None of the other games are comparable because they have hard deadlines. This game doesn't. That's a very big difference.

My play isn't very useful if you all put your attention on me though. Palmar trolls, but when he's at risk of getting lynched, he will play to his win condition. Same is true for BH (for the most part).
But I'm doubtful that it's worth stopping playing the game over?

You can play the game, promote discussion, and then decide to pressure or lynch Palmar anyway. You can play the game and let Blazinghand know that if he doesn't come back at the time he said he would, he will be lynched.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 21:27 GMT
#281
On April 22 2015 06:23 rsoultin wrote:
okay, truffle

so i'm scum artanis

my scum partner may or may not be one of bh or palmar, but can't be both

so i say let's wait until they do something rather than trying to push a hasty vote through? xP bh said he'd do something later if we give him some room...palmar's a coinflip...most day phases last 48 hours anyway and unless you've got someone you're super sure is scum i see no problem with pushing this out to a standard 48...

not saying it makes him town, but i don't see how it makes him scum. essentially you're keying in on something nai. again
Um, you completely missed the point. I don't know why you decided to go there at all.

Why does it matter if one of Blazinghand or Palmar is mafia or not? Either way, it is in town's best interests to scumhunt. There is absolutely no reason to lynch in the first 24 hours, lynch when confident. Let's say we lynch in 72 hours. If we spend the first 24 hours sitting around, waiting for Blazinghand and Palmar, that's 24 hours that could have been spent finding scum. There is no town incentive (other than laziness) to wait for inactives before starting to play the game, really regardless of the deadline.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 21 2015 21:33 GMT
#291
On April 22 2015 06:31 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 22 2015 06:27 Trfel wrote:
On April 22 2015 06:23 rsoultin wrote:
okay, truffle

so i'm scum artanis

my scum partner may or may not be one of bh or palmar, but can't be both

so i say let's wait until they do something rather than trying to push a hasty vote through? xP bh said he'd do something later if we give him some room...palmar's a coinflip...most day phases last 48 hours anyway and unless you've got someone you're super sure is scum i see no problem with pushing this out to a standard 48...

not saying it makes him town, but i don't see how it makes him scum. essentially you're keying in on something nai. again
Um, you completely missed the point. I don't know why you decided to go there at all.

Why does it matter if one of Blazinghand or Palmar is mafia or not? Either way, it is in town's best interests to scumhunt. There is absolutely no reason to lynch in the first 24 hours, lynch when confident. Let's say we lynch in 72 hours. If we spend the first 24 hours sitting around, waiting for Blazinghand and Palmar, that's 24 hours that could have been spent finding scum. There is no town incentive (other than laziness) to wait for inactives before starting to play the game, really regardless of the deadline.


you're boring me truffle lol >< what artie chooses to do or not do we can make him answer for later. he doesn't control the rest of us. the fact remains that not lynching someone today when two players have done jack-all is actually better for town, regardless of the alignment of the person who suggested it
I don't believe that anyone has suggested lynching today?

Either way, I got what I wanted out of this conversation. Artanis responded exactly like I would expect him to as town. Both the initial tolerance and willingness to discuss with me and the eventual frustration seem to be appropriate townie emotions.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
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April 21 2015 21:34 GMT
#295
On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh

HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game
I think that it's better to sit quietly on this for now.
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