Newbie Mini Mafia LXI

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 09 2015 02:00 GMT

#53

/in

Well...why not! I'll try this again. =D Glad to see some faces from my last game (though it's been eons since I looked in. Drat me!)

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 10 2015 03:14 GMT

#56

Thanks HTS! <3

Everyone was so wonderful. My job just got nuts for a time. I'm thrilled to try to give this another shot. =D

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 11 2015 05:20 GMT

#59

Well, if you insist! =D

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 12 2015 01:25 GMT

#68

XD

I'm totally still in by the way. And yaaaay!

Also to let you know Kita, Friday is a busy day for me so I may not be about totally for it. BUt if I can't respond on Friday, I can on saturday. Starting then is just fine with me long as that's ok by you. =)

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 03:09 GMT

#241

Wow! You've guys already started giving me things to read! I'm thumbing through the thread right now, now that Valentines festivities and all that are over on my end. Did everyone enjoy it? (Hope you did.)

I'll begin tossing up thoughts once I've caught up.

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 04:43 GMT

#257

In for a penny, in for a dollar.

On February 16 2015 04:03 rsoultin wrote:

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Okay, I'll take the plunge ^^

##vote: Hier

Tell me why I'm wrong, or get onboard. That goes for everyone lol.

I read the RNG posts and Hier's issues, so I decided to tackle this. The problem is, I really can't say why Hier shouldn't be here. There was a huge focus previously on his (? ...sorry, always so hard to know genders on games like this! No offense meant) idea for how a game should be. It became a huge focus and while it got discussion going, it didn't
What bothers me most here is that you're being pushed for those reads. While it's a newbie game, those reads aren't coming easy. Moreso, why are you pushing so hard for special mechanics over playing the game? What does this gain you?

I'd say one good point in your favor was Shining's point on all of this in that you're putting forth a lot of effort. However, I argue that really? That effort is for Bridges, not for actually participating with questions from others. Your last post (assuming you haven't posted by the time I pop this up) bothers me a great deal.

On February 16 2015 10:08 ElyAs wrote:
I'm actually having trouble analyzing the rsoultin - Hier exchange. It's late in my timezone and i'm starting to doze off.

First impression is that Hier is a misguided town, but i'm not convinced on that read, because he has mainly done two things :

1)Defend his Bridges plan.
2)Attack rsoultin.

Hier, can you really not share your reads, even if they are not complete ? Any insight can be useful at this point in the game.

Sums that up nicely I think.

Oh, side note.
Shining: I'm really reading null where Zlefin is at this moment. For a D1 lynch, I'm hesitant.

Trfel: Quick note? Bridges method. From what I'm understanding about it (and my answer is late I admit) I'd rather not.

I'm still trying to get a good grip on this game as it's normally played.

TLDR version:

Hier, why is it only on page 13 you offer something in the ways of scum reads when you've been prodded several times? I can't understand this reluctance with giving reads. Isn't that something we're supposed to do?

-Bridges is really not a good idea.
-Rsoultin, yes that looked like drivel to me.
-AND once again...happy Valentines everyone! (Belatedly. I seriously enjoy holidays)

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 04:48 GMT

#258

Curses Jarjar! You and this posting before others do thing! XD

One question is what does BOD mean? (This is purely because I honestly don't know what this means).

Two, impact or not, there's still a lot of reluctance in direct participation going on. This is bothersome.

(Also, post to come with my work schedule and times I'll be around for you guys. =P)

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 04:56 GMT

#260

Silver's work schedule so you know when to expect seeing her around (though she totally hopes to be around during lunches! YAY NEW JOB!)

I work four days a week, ten hour shifts now. I'm also currently helping with work on a house, but that'll be changing here in a few days.

I basically work: Monday, Thurs, Fri and Sat: 7:30-6:30 (MST). I believe that's 14:30 GMT to 1:30 GMT. I think that's about right. Now, I'll be around mostly in the evenings (later evenings) so if you have questions, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them if I miss you being around. I'll do what I did last time and place votes before I go to work and if I can duck in during lunches, I'll do so. I'll try my best!

(I'm pretty excited to see people about during the evening time though. This is a large contrast to my previous game. =D)

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 04:57 GMT

#261

Oh shoot Trfel. Did I do that? I thought I fixed that. Give me just a moment and I'll fix that issue. Sorry about that!

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 05:03 GMT

#263

So I did! Well, fail on my part.

It looks like I cut off on the sentence where I was saying 'it got discussion going'. (Drat me and copy/paste editting).

I was basically saying that while it got the discussion going about something which is good I guess, it didn't have any benefit.

On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it.

On February 16 2015 07:58 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
As as I said, if you have the slightest town read on me, support the model. This will entice others to join.

What bothers me is utilization of this idea to justify being town. How does this support being 'town' OR 'scum'? I'm more inclined to believe someone is scum when they can go on about things like this, but are unwilling to participate otherwise.

Did that answer it for you? Trfel, I'd really like your thoughts on this if you don't mind. Who are you really leaning towards now that you've had a bit to think?

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 05:10 GMT

#265

I did see your previous post on that. I wasn't sure if that had changed, so I did partly want to know that. But I'd love your thoughts on Hier's opening and after.

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 13:39 GMT

#293

Sorry friends, I completely fell asleep last night ><

On February 16 2015 15:05 Trfel wrote:

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Ok good, I thought it was Silverarte.

Hier, any thoughts you have on the thread are appreciated. Even if you want to post a huge wall of null reads, I would appreciate that (rsoultin and The Shining would probably start screaming for your head, but I would look at the content first...). I'm sure that rsoultin would let up on you for the moment if you provide some content and scumhunting to the thread.

Though I do need to reread my comments on The Shining in the morning, if anyone wanted to comment on The Shining (with or without reference to my comments), that would be appreciated.

Good night.

I'll take the sleepiness into account Trfel.

Though, when you're around again, let me know what you think without all of the sleepiness there?

As far as Shining goes, I can see your point. I didn't see what made the case on Zlefin, particularly since Zle's filter looked null to me at that time. I'd say the oddest thing to me here is that you being potentially scumread for walls of text. Those make it hard to read sometimes true, but I proved my only other game then and now that I do those too.

Personally, I'd like to see more from Shining. I saw where you are coming from, but I don't feel he's a D1 lynch. And actually, I'd like to see everyone's thought here too.

@zlefin I appreciate the concern about activity and all that, but remember. I live in the US and I posted my schedule up. On Saturdays, I work for ten hours then went out for Valentines out here. While I appreciate activity might signify something, at the same time, understanding for the holiday I feel should be in there somewhere too.
Now, that said and behind us, my question for you is this. The scumread list you gave, can I ask what gives you the thoughts that Jarjar and Hier are on the lynch list. Also, if I'm reading the way you have that list right, Rsoultin is on the lynch list too, is that correct? (It's the points I'm trying to sort out).

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 13:39 GMT

#294

@hier

On February 16 2015 15:17 Hier wrote:

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On February 16 2015 15:10 rsoultin wrote:

On February 16 2015 14:52 rsoultin wrote:

On February 16 2015 14:47 Hier wrote:

On February 16 2015 12:51 rsoultin wrote:

On February 16 2015 07:08 Hier wrote:

rsoultin:

In 3 separate posts you have described your reads to be null towards people that have posted, and despite you not liking the Bridges method, which is fine, said that it is something a town player may suggest thinking it’s good.

Later, after someone mentioned they weren't a fan of my model, you've gone to suggest that I've done nothing to show that I care about finding scum,

all the while you proclaim your reads are null and just ask what other players’ reads are. That is the way mafia players probe the scene to start a bandwagon.

Why else, out of the blue, without any further analysis, would you vote me to be lynched with the phrase “Tell me why I’m wrong, or get onboard.”? No, it is your job to tell everyone the reasons behind your vote, not to tell everyone to get onboard.

Okay, in the interest of fairness, if you genuinely believe each of these claims, I can understand your scumread. So I'm going to ask you to actually quote the posts I made that led you to the three bolded conclusions. Preferably in context, because if you misrepresent me I do very much have a tendency to get tunneled xP

Once you've done so, I'll answer the last bit.

Alright. You went back to my original accusation, to which you have already responded, and are now demanding further explanation when, quite literally, nobody else is asking for it. People have already read my statement and have made up their minds, whatever those may be. You are creating artificial content by searching for an excuse to re-state your innocence, and projecting the appearance of scum hunting at the same time. That would create drivel. You have not been the centre of discussion for several pages, and nobody has been tunnelling you, much less me. Right now it looks like the one doing the tunnelling is you. Look, for now my vote stays where it is. If you post something that changes my mind or a more obvious scum target comes up I promise I will be the first one to let you know. For now let me focus on somebody else, instead of going through your filter again.

On February 16 2015 13:31 jarjarbinks wrote:

On February 16 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:

Didn't you say that you'd just made this method up? And again, you're focusing on the model and not what I'm asking you for.

@Trfel - I am not in favor of Bridges. Clearly. Even if Hier would be the next "auto-lynch" and I'd laugh my ass off if he flips scum, caught in his own mechanism

Hier, I know a lot of people have been asking you questions. Can you answer this one? Should be easy enough?

I've already answered this, and my answer isn't changing. Yes, as the game began.

As of right now I do not think Trfel or jarjarbinks are scum, and thus have no intention of voting for them.

I don't know if this is just because you're new, but me bringing up your case on me and giving you the opportunity to justify it...how does that come from a scum perspective? As you said, no one seems to really be buying your case, so why would I need to further establish my innocence?

For the record, I'd still like this answered, Hier. From a more veteran player I'd be calling to lynch you with fire for most of your posts xP but I recognize that this is a newbie game and you might actually believe what you're saying.

I just don't know how far my lexicon can take me reiterating my own accusations, and I don't really see the point when you'll just rebuke it my saying I misinterpreted your quotes, thus creating a nucleus for a completely unnecessary discussion.

But if you really really really want I'll do so in the morning. It's getting late here too, and tomorrow is a holiday here, so I'll have time.

I appreciate frustration here, but it still seems like pulling teeth to get reads and the why from you. As nothing has been put up to change my mind and it's still a fight with getting your reads and such? Nothing personal but my vote is on you.
##Vote: Hier

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 16 2015 13:40 GMT

#295

Okie dokie. I REALLY need to get to work. Have a good day you guys if I can't sneak on during lunch. (Holiday at work, so might be too busy)

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 17 2015 00:08 GMT

#570

...oh shoot. We were wrong! ><

Side note: I'm going to try to start catching up, but I've only got a thirty minute break and fifteen pages to go before I have to go back to work. If I can't post before my go home time, I'll hit it up when I get home. (Just wanted to let everyone know I am alive and trying to be here)

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 17 2015 00:16 GMT

#574

My timing is apparently horrible. >< It's also subject to call flow. I was so proud I could make it back here too.

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 17 2015 00:28 GMT

#576

>< Gosh bless. Out of time. I'll finish up what I was doing when I get home. (Ten more pages to go. Good grief)

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 17 2015 03:01 GMT

#601

I'm finally back from work! Catching up now. In the meantime (while I go through pages and figure out what all I missed) any questions for me in the meantime?

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 17 2015 03:15 GMT

#603

Sure, I'll get right on that.

Also, since I don't think I've gotten there yet in the pages (only on page 17) what did you end up thinking of The Shining this round?

Silverarte

115 Posts

February 17 2015 03:25 GMT

#605

Hmm. Alright. I'm almost done catching up on the reading (five more pages to go? Six?) I'm going to start filter diving, so it's going to take me a bit. So I'm here! Just putting thoughts together.

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