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Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
October 28 2014 20:01 GMT
#26
/in.
Would like a coach if possible!
Also: Breshke - we meet again.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
October 31 2014 09:36 GMT
#91
/confirm
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 01 2014 22:29 GMT
#119
Grrrr I wanted to use this as a distraction from my uni work today. Now there's no distraction and I'll fail for sure.
I blame Blazinghand for getting too drunk on Halloween to start hosting today.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 01 2014 23:06 GMT
#121
Don't worry Bh, played piano instead, now hopefully able to solve the maths practice sheet T_T .
On question: Don't you mean 8pm CET?
That'd be exactly the time theGDmeal starts :D .
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 01 2014 23:07 GMT
#122
One *
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 02:31 GMT
#261
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 02:32 GMT
#262
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 02:33 GMT
#263
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 02:38 GMT
#267
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 02:38 GMT
#268
On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 02:43 GMT
#271
@Immaterial
2 things
1. people will go ham on you if you talk about being newbie since it doesn't help town, you have to be certain about your reads as town. once is fine, just don't repeat.
2. on tunneling: look this and everything you will ever not know (in all of your life) up here:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 02:47 GMT
#275
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 02:51 GMT
#277
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 10:00 GMT
#299
I'll make detailed posts in my usual style today after uni, which will be in approx. 6 hours!
Mind I posted way into the night yesterda, when I couldn't really get my head around things.
Will at least keep up with the thread until then and hunt all the scum!
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 15:35 GMT
#324
On November 03 2014 23:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 22:59 batsnacks wrote:
On November 03 2014 22:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On November 03 2014 22:41 batsnacks wrote:
I'm sort of here. Which one of superbia's posts made you change your mind about him, lightning?

I can't unvote as far as I know now that I read the thing but after reading his posts a little bit more carefully he just seem like a troll.


So you thought he was fishy, and now you think he's trolly. What made you change your mind? Superbia hasn't said anything.

After reading some people's posts about him it just seem like they basically saying he is just been trolling in the opening. and I checked Grackaroni and he seemed to not follow through about a strange answering why it was a strange vote. As I said I still a new player and trying to learn while playing.


To the things in bold:
So you changed your mind because of whom? A pink whale told you so, as a nda information? If not, please quote and give reasons, this just looks like "oh the mainstream is now doing something different, let's change wagons so we don't look suspicious.

Also, stop pulling the newbie card 24/7. It's okay to be unsure about something, but don't ever blame things on you being newbie.

This is just a spontaneous post on my way home and not the big promised post yet. I'll do that once I arrived.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 16:52 GMT
#344
so this is how to get a free namechange......
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 17:30 GMT
#346
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts.

Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is.

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with.

You (and bat)
I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point.

This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration.

FF
Null. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you.

Otherwise, nothing to report.

bresh
Null-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here:
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On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.

Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?

Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?

But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.

Grack
I like his open-mindedness:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:
I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion.

On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super

1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread

1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening.

2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games.

3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument.

4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed.

but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision.

Elvis
Null-scum.

I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game:

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point:

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post.


He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.)

And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much.










so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about.

You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote.
I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now.

For me, you lean scum atm.

Immaterial:

I don't want to further repeat things that have been posted already, but supporting ff's "totally reasonable posts" that didn't have significance, pushing on Superbia for something he doesn't even know about, and mostly for something he isn't even sure if he understood.

Then saying "It's trollish at the very least.", "He just dropped it and bailed" .
This sounds so much like someone - wait a second - tunneling on Superbia?
As already explained, he it was late in his country, about midnight, a reasonable time to go to bed. That's not what I call "dropped and bailed" .
Saying "trollish at the very least" - so what is it? I don't see it being anything except trollish and mostly not alignment indicative.
Now that he's explained himself, I'm looking forward to your posts.

For me, you lean scum as well.

Superbia:

I'm not sure about your methods, but you got a slight read out of it so I guess it's fine.
I agree with your read on Sentinel and am looking forward to more posts from your side.

You look town.

Chelsea:

I'm not quite sure about your posts, you did feel good about your push and then realised it's not good enough and retracted it. Seems quite reasonable and townie, but I wanna see more on other people (which you want to talk about, which is good, not keeping with the bad wagon we had for a while) before I make a proper judgement.

You lean town.

Disgustingnameguy:

Have him as a null read right now. Didn't do much productive or distracting.
Last time I played with him he was quite a clever scum(not counting my short appereance in the other recent game), so I'll have a look what happens this time.


Other people: Don't have time now, it's training time. Will comment on everyone else afterwards and more throughoutly as I then have the reactions of everyone to Superbia's reappereance.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 21:53 GMT
#355
On November 04 2014 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts.

Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is.

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with.

You (and bat)
I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point.

This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration.

FF
Null. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you.

Otherwise, nothing to report.

bresh
Null-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.

Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?

Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?

But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.

Grack
I like his open-mindedness:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:
I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion.

On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super

1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread

1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening.

2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games.

3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument.

4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed.

but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision.

Elvis
Null-scum.

I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game:

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point:

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post.


He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.)

And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much.






so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about.

You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote.
I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now.

For me, you lean scum atm.

I don't read Sentinel's posts the same way as you do. How was he the most serious person to push Superbia? He sheeped KSC's reasoning while stating that his read will change based on what Superbia posts tomorrow. He hasn't even posted since Superbia came back to thread (i.e. he couldn't retract his vote), so I don't understand how you came to this conclusion.
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On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now

##Vote: Superbia

At least until he comes out and defends himself.

If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place.




I would like you not to turn words around in my mouth. I never said the most, I said a lot more than some others, since some people just were like "I like the case vote superbia".
Also, not posting doesn't mean he hasn't seen it yet AND some people (I'm positively looking at you, chelsea) retracted when they realised it wasn't useful, BEFORE superbia even posted.
Even if he really at that point didn't see it yet, he still had it at least until then, even though people agreed way beforehand that it's not a topic that will find us scum.
Of course the scenario exists, where he posted his last post, went off, didn't look at anything until some time after superbia posted. But this is mafia, people usually read it a lot if they're clever, be it mafai (thanks superbia) or town.
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 21:54 GMT
#356
@breshke I will answer your questions momentarily
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 21:55 GMT
#357
On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.



Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
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