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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 00:59 GMT
#26
I am Alakaslam usually te way of CHUPAZI this game the way of Spock live long and prosper.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 08:41 GMT
#166
Meta is useless, and I will be proof within 16 hours.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 17:59 GMT
#238
On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.

##Vote: jabberwockzerg

##Vote: jabberwockzerg
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 18:01 GMT
#240
Jabberwockzerg's play is illogical to a clear extreme, mderg defends him so hard nonetheless, that to me this also screams scum. Mderg, if you are to defend jwz, I recommend being more specific in your refutation of the points laid against him.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 18:03 GMT
#241
On May 28 2014 03:01 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 02:59 Alakaslam wrote:
On May 28 2014 02:09 slOosh wrote:
Seems straightforward.

##Vote: jabberwockzerg

##Vote: jabberwockzerg

How is it straightforward for you when you dismissed the whole thing as meta?

Show me where I did this.

I have dismisse meta as reliable but this is not a meta case. This is a case made in reaction to his nonsensical replies to others pushing meta points on him. His replies make no logical town sense, to me- but since that is also how Spock operates, good enough for me.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 19:13 GMT
#261
I speak of my own meta.


It is self explanatory in any game with Kush while I Spock. For to because my CHUPAZI is the brain I kill the brain, fry is foolish bring into the newbie. To hide behind meta phuulishnissssss Kushm4sta yell LYNCHEE THEE WITH PHYRE!


Do you understand more clearly the direction in which I am speaking?

Now, I still stand by my opinion that a pure meta case is not a reliable tool, enough that I can venture to say it is useless. This is not meta, JWZ meta'd himself with a lie about last game.

That lie and the nature of it is critical.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 22:41 GMT
#304
On May 28 2014 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 06:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Actually, now that I think of it, it would yield more information to kill off jwz.
##Unvote
##Vote: jabberwockzerg

*sigh* I hate when people say this. Dude, always vote for who you think is scummiest. Lynching for information comes off as a scum setting up their justification for when the lynched person flips green. If you don't want him dead because you think he's scum then you shouldn't be voting for him.

Well enough said that I won't mention that.


Regarding mderg's defense, I will read his filter. I may have missed a crucial post or more.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 22:59 GMT
#307
On May 28 2014 01:24 mderg wrote:
I don´t like this lynch at all. I don´t see what he did as alignment indicative because it doesn´t really make sense as either town or scum You could cut out that whole bit and still be saying the same thing. So why is it more likely to be done by scum than by town? all this says is that you don't see it as alignment indicative


fuba: Weren´t you against this lynch? Why the vote on jabberwockzerg now? Says nothing regarding the case, just a general appeal to consistency aimed at fuba.



On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. This is WIFOM, I have behaved relying on this sentiment as scum I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. And could have been either equally unaware or simply unaware of his intent and therefore too late once he did lie. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying. Scumteam wants lies in the thread



On May 28 2014 02:19 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 02:15 fuba wrote:
Mderg - who would you lynch over jabber?

Right now I´d go with you because I didn´t like how you changed your opinion on jabber but didn´t bother to explain the reason for that until you were asked.

This looks fabricated by the way- scrape the bottom of the barrel for cases to have alternate to your defense and you risk splinters.

On May 28 2014 02:42 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 02:00 mderg wrote:
On May 28 2014 01:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:
On May 28 2014 01:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 01:45 mderg wrote:
Well, I don´t think his lie makes him scum. I honestly think scum would think more carefully about lying like that. I mean everyone who was on his scum team would have known he lied no matter what. So even if he didn´t know the scum team was made public, it would have been easy to see that he was lying.


There's only one person in this game who was on his team, and that was amiko.

But i dont see amiko being even remotely active in this game right now, so your point there is invalid.

This game hasn´t even been going for a day. So amiko not being active in this doesn´t mean it has to stay that way.


Oh yes, i know this, so i would love to hear what Amiko has to say when he does start commenting. But my point is how would his previous eating cheese and rice team call him out on it when one of them isnt even in this game, and the other isnt being active.

So i called him out on it. I think it was a slip

It might be a slip but I think it´s more likely that it´s not a slip and just bad play.


Explain further. What about it makes it just a bad play?


Are you asking about why it´s bad play or why i think it´s not scummy but bad play?

I´l answer both


I don´t think that makes him scum because even considering that he missed the alignments of the last game being published it´s not unlikely to be figured out that he lied. Based on what? If it was truly unknown who the scumteam is, what makes you think we're so badass that we would uncover him? BH is hosting, not playing, this game. Unless he is scum with amiko or somehow knows that amiko won´t notice it there is quite a huge risk of the lie being discovered. This is the strongest point in favor of JWZ and it still falls to this WIFOM: amiko actually beig scum with him and bussing, JWZ simply not accounting for that and assuming Host rerolled the same scumteam for the WIFOMZ, even setting up his own bus- I did that too one game.

WIFOM is deep


Why it´s bad play should be obvious with the situation he´s in right now. It makes him suspicious which he doesn´t want as either alignment.


On May 28 2014 06:33 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 03:32 Amiko wrote:
@mderg:
I can understand you having some hesitation on the initial jabberwockzerg points, though I think it's not a bad argument. What do you think of jabberwock's followup post(s)?

For fuba, I understand that you didn't like that he voted for jabber without an explanation. I agree that we needed to press him for a reason, but do you feel like him voting without an explanation was scummy?
I take it you do from this post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=12#224), but I'd have to disagree, I feel that players give reads/votes without explanation as either town or scum. Could you explain your thoughts on this a little more and if your feelings on fuba come from anywhere else?

I don´t think his followup posts were as scummy as most people here make it sound.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 11:50 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.


So let me spell it out. It has to do with this post here.

You were a squirrel eating nuts last game, were you not?

Yet here, you say he could have been super into the last game because he was also sniffing the maple.

Yet, he wasnt. You were. And you didnt know that that knowledge was made public to us.

So either you are defending Chrom/slightly bussing here because he is your partner in crime, or you are again down among the badgers as you said chrom was leading more towards being a grim reaper in a town full of sickness, and you want to get him lynched.

Clearing this up, I didn't mean mafia specifically, just non vanilla. Was this bad wording? Yes. Stupid of me? Yes. Learning experience, definitely

this post seems honest to me. I don´t think anyone would make this defense, if it wasn´t actually the truth. It´s just too far of from anything I would have expected as defense.


Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 01:14 jabberwockzerg wrote:
On May 27 2014 20:59 Chromatically wrote:
Also, read this whole page again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=5

bunnies starts by (presumably) joking about me being scum, not a serious push as evidenced by not voting.

On May 27 2014 11:19 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Both of you make a fair point, but I agree with bunnies.
If he's lurking (he probably is) he'll be quick to post something, which we can further use as more information comes to light

This is jabber's passive-agressive response. "he probably is" heavily implies that jabber has a strong scumread on me, which clearly doesn't make sense given that I've made one completely non-alignment indicative post. From a scum perspective, it makes sense for jabber to try to go with the flow of the thread and throw suspicion on me, but accidentally take it too far.

On May 27 2014 11:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Counter point: he could have been super into last game because he was mafia, and isn't as into being vanilla town.

On May 27 2014 11:21 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Definitely leaving towards scum though

Again, here he makes it seem as if he strongly thinks I'm scum, which just doesn't make sense unless he has a preset idea of what he wants to push my alignment as.

Lovely.
I was trying to get the game moving along, I was pretty pumped to start interrogating and scum reading, which isn't how I acted last game, when I was scum.
Lying about who was scum last game, I was trying to conceal information. I didn't realize that last game's roles were known, it would be beneficial for me if no one knew I was Mafia, just because there would be no real patterns of my play, and I could remain a wild card, which I thought could help me later.

this is the post most people seem to see as the strongest scumtell.
I don´t agree with his reasoning for withholding information but being wrong doesn´t make you scum. Although I agree that this post looks kinda bad it´s not like townies never make strange plays like this.


Overall it´s just strange how almost everyone jumps on the wagon. IMO most lynches like this end up being wrong.

I´d like to see a bit more from jabber. If he gives some more reads and defends himself a bit more, it might be clearer whether this was just a misstep or actually a scumslip. Right now I´m not convinced that it´s a scumslip, though.


And M_Z is right, this is an excellent, excellent point on why JWZ could be town and therefore, JWZ flip in no way implicates Mderg.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 27 2014 23:47 GMT
#320
On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote:
MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion".

Welcome to my scum tier.

I agree.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 02:55 GMT
#412
On May 28 2014 09:59 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Slam, what do you think of Amiko so far?

Haven't read him but he has agree with me usually so. There is that
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 04:00 GMT
#415
On May 28 2014 11:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 11:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Yes.


You should really start quoting people...or atleast putting an @.

Also, in high school, i was in spanish class, and me and a guy friend of mine got super bored, so we started creating a story about bunnies. Then they turned out to be ninjas. Etc.

It was an elaborate story that had me as a dictator raising an army of ninja bunnies to take over the world.

I also had an army of evil squirrels that did my dirty work.

So when i started playing xbox heavily, he thought it would be smart to do 26ninjabunnies (the 26 being the day I was born) and so i went with it.

Then when i started playing mafia (first starting on epicmafia) i had it there, but someone hacked into my account and deleted it, so i just upped my number from 26 to 27, and have stuck with it ever since.

Though this has nothing to do with the game.

los conejos muy malo.

Esta en el rancho de mi papa, matalo

mas a milquimientos.

hablas espanol verdad? En la classe?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 04:02 GMT
#416
On May 28 2014 13:00 HaruRH wrote:
Sqrt is always questioning for some reason or the other.

Chromatically is a town read for me.

Only mderg with his weird explanations seem to be a possible scumread.

after posting I remembered this is a spock game.

I agreed with what you are saying here HaruRH but then I read his filter. Look at my filter, there is a post where I basically contain his whole filter in mine and deconstruct it.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 04:20 GMT
#419
On May 28 2014 13:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 11:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 11:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Yes.


You should really start quoting people...or atleast putting an @.

Also, in high school, i was in spanish class, and me and a guy friend of mine got super bored, so we started creating a story about bunnies. Then they turned out to be ninjas. Etc.

It was an elaborate story that had me as a dictator raising an army of ninja bunnies to take over the world.

I also had an army of evil squirrels that did my dirty work.

So when i started playing xbox heavily, he thought it would be smart to do 26ninjabunnies (the 26 being the day I was born) and so i went with it.

Then when i started playing mafia (first starting on epicmafia) i had it there, but someone hacked into my account and deleted it, so i just upped my number from 26 to 27, and have stuck with it ever since.

Though this has nothing to do with the game.

los conejos muy malo.

Esta en el rancho de mi papa, matalo

mas a milquimientos.

hablas espanol verdad? En la classe?

I will translate to keep it from messing with anyone

The cottontails are really bad.

They are at my dad's ranch, death

More than 1,500.

Meaning: since age 12 I have been on the PrimusLabs shooters list for varmint control. To date I have killed over 1,500 rabbits- hares and cottontails both.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 04:20 GMT
#420
Oh and "speaks Spanish truth? In the class?"
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 16:24 GMT
#459
On May 29 2014 01:15 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Hi, I'm back.
I think we need to get a secondary wagon going.
Thoughts?

Propose your target.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 16:28 GMT
#461
Next, explain what he has done that makes him more worthwhile to lynch than the current target; jabberwockzerg?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 16:29 GMT
#462
Another sniped page...

Meh.

I have probably sniped nearly 100 pages at this point.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 16:33 GMT
#464
He isn't avoiding your suspicion. Bunnies genuinely improved her play shortly prior to his statement of approval.

He went from a gut scumrea to an action based townread on her.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 17:41 GMT
#474
Watch someone who doesn't get math ask who i is

"Oh, dearest, you mean- 'who am I', not 'who is i', that' improper spelling and grammar."
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
May 28 2014 18:23 GMT
#479
On May 29 2014 03:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, not really.
i = √-1

...

yes!

...

Nonetheless watch someone ask
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
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