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What time will we be starting tomorrow?
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On February 03 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ughhhhhh I hate this deadline tiiiiime
Me too but it is IML so it isn't really a deadline.
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On February 03 2014 15:11 yamato77 wrote:
Disregard earlier PMs, we will be rerolling the roles.
lols
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I will be here as soon as my fiance falls asleep. I'm not above giving her a sleeping pill just to get to this game faster.
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On February 04 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
I'm outlawing the phrase "mind meld"
I'm outlawing the third guy getting to say he mindmelded. I hate that shit. Its like how I took credit for being the 'hammer' vote on Sand last invite game. I knew damn well Hapa voted before me but I wanted on because shennanies are fun. One minute is a tonne of time if you are paying attention and a post doesn't take long to write.
Yo DP: cool yer jets bro. This shit is silly. Why wouldn't he push your buttons? MAfia is fun and one of the fun things is getting digs in at people.
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On February 04 2014 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
It's been 15 minutes. I can't just switch it off magically.
go drag a dart and come back when you're done.
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I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle.
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marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy.
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On February 04 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:06 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
I'm outlawing the phrase "mind meld" I'm outlawing the third guy getting to say he mindmelded. I hate that shit. Its like how I took credit for being the 'hammer' vote on Sand last invite game. I knew damn well Hapa voted before me but I wanted on because shennanies are fun. One minute is a tonne of time if you are paying attention and a post doesn't take long to write. Yo DP: cool yer jets bro. This shit is silly. Why wouldn't he push your buttons? MAfia is fun and one of the fun things is getting digs in at people. I have no idea what you are saying.
calling mindmeld when you are the second (or in this case third) guy to post the same thing is horse poopy. A minute is more than enough time to post what a townie just posted and hop around screaming "mindmeld" to try to get in with the townies.
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On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro.
one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments.
Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger.
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There is no reason to do something as town = there is no reason to do it as scum. It is simply dumb. Remember when thrawn claimed self aware miller in a set-up without self aware millers? Kinda the same though that was so over the top it actually made thrawn town.
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On February 04 2014 11:16 Holyflare wrote:
Like prome, what are you doing now? I've already posted and it's been stated that Artanis' post is clearly alignment unindicative (the why's included) so why is your first real post to only ask that question to marv who has also been reading the thread. It's a useless rehash.
1. agreeing with that point
2. getting marv to state his opinion
2a. like wave I 'caught' marv early in shadow and did dick about it. I'm choosing to be more on his nuts because he is a powerful ally or an insidious enemy and I'd like to know which.
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On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia
It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him.
Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no?
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On February 04 2014 11:24 marvellosity wrote:
It means he didn't bother to think about it Prome. That's what you draw your conclusions from.
But that just makes him bad. I thought about it like tow days ago and figured I wouldn't mention it in thread in case I rolled scum and got to use my super gosu strat. Fuck but I wish I rolled scum. I keep having premonitions before games that I will and I keep not rolling scum and I keep having no idea how to even play scum its been so long.
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On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets.
Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you?
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On February 04 2014 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.
specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true. It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated. Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia.
Explain in a calm, rational, manner what a scum gains from this. I know you said its a thing scum would never do so instant town cred but you are also saying its a thing town would never do. Clearly someone has just done it and it has been done before so can you answer me which it is? Do town or scum never claim scum in the thread?
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On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.
I hate people who vote themselves in IML.
Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets. Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you? Play nice. That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing.
Given that we lynched him I'd say we're reasonably sure. I still think scum killing townie#1 and town knowing that dead guy=scum is > for scum than townie#4 being dead and town not knowing if dead=scum
maybe that is just me though.
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On February 04 2014 11:33 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:32 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:
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It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him. Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no? That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets. Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you? Play nice. That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing. Given that we lynched him I'd say we're reasonably sure. I still think scum killing townie#1 and town knowing that dead guy=scum is > for scum than townie#4 being dead and town not knowing if dead=scum maybe that is just me though. wat !?! you never mislynch people?
I've never mislynched cephero
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On February 04 2014 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 11:30 Promethelax wrote:On February 04 2014 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:On February 04 2014 11:25 iamperfection wrote:On February 04 2014 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town.
specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true. It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated. Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia. Explain in a calm, rational, manner what a scum gains from this. I know you said its a thing scum would never do so instant town cred but you are also saying its a thing town would never do. Clearly someone has just done it and it has been done before so can you answer me which it is? Do town or scum never claim scum in the thread? Firstly don't condescend to me prome. My recent posts have been calm and rational so there is no fucking reason to say that. Secondly the reason you do it as scum is because it is a WIFOM bomb. People will think there is no way scum would claim scum so clearly this guy is not scum. I would ask you the same thing in reverse. For what reason would town ever claim scum?
Because they can, townies like to do silly shit to start games. Happens all the time.
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yeah, I don't disagree. Your problem though is that scum will shoot said townies if/when we lynch them.
Right now I'd say marv/imp both looking townie to me.
Waiting to hear from Artanis as I don't have trouble reading him. Need some personal time with him to really 'get a feel' for things.
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