EPTNormal Mini Mafia: Episode I
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Balla24
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 On January 17 2014 11:43 cakemanofdoom wrote: /in YES. | ||
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On January 20 2014 09:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was expecting a counterclaim. I'm very disappointed  Can you explain? I'm really confused... | ||
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Balla24
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Like if you are blue obviously you're going to claim before getting lynched, and town can either believe you or not. If you're scum and you claim blue before getting lynched then you get CC'ed or not. If you get CC'ed then you either get lynched or your CC gets lynched. You won't postpone in that case. If whoever is about to get lynched ends up being uncc'ed THEN you postpone the lynch. But there's nothing different than any other games? What makes your plan special? | ||
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The boxers are much more interesting, what exactly do we gain from having boxers claim? Town cred for some players and setup information? The setup information is honestly not that helpful for us at this point right? | ||
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He came up with this plan pre-game before he knew his role. Regardless of whether he is sticking with it now how is it helpful to be discussing it? He clearly thought it was a good plan as town before he even knew his role. So let's stop questioning him about that. It is annoying though that kush is elaborating on his reads like rayn is asking beyond the one liner explanations: i'd really like explanation on the flip-flop of thrawn-kush reads from both sides. | ||
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On January 21 2014 01:55 JonnyLaw wrote: Kush, why are you voting balla? Lack of activity? He's active when scum as well. Is it that he didn't like your plan and he's not being active? First off, what I was saying about his plan was that its just like any other game and its nothing really new, not that it was bad (besides the giving blues immunity regardless of what happens, that's bad and what the main bulk of the discussion around it was) Second off, it's pretty clear why kush is voting me here. I haven't done shit yet, he wants me to do shit, he votes me to pressure me into doing shit. You of all people should see that. | ||
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On the first quote: Rayn's not wrong here. What suki posted was pointing out "lapses" in VE's thought process but those quotes she was bolding in were about different topics. Quote1: on kush's "plan", Quote2: on Boxers claiming, Quote3: on boxers claiming with the use of Kush's plan as a way to emphasize his point. On the second quote: I can see that for sure. It's really hard to tell whether or not rayn is purposefully doing it or not. I think i'm going to go with this simplest answer here and say it wasn't on purpose. Particularly because it's hard to read into it how you expected us to read into it. It's not like you explicitly were saying "I think VE is scum". So I think I chose to give rayn the benefit of the doubt there. | ||
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On January 21 2014 02:35 JonnyLaw wrote: Balla you haven't actually said anything this game. Half of your posts starts with an "I don't" get it, understand, don't want to solve this fucking game because I'm scum. Bum or Rayn, pick one. Who's scummier? *as an aside Suki is a woman saw a couple posts addressed as "he" said whatever. Because wanting someone to clarify their posts means "I don't want to solve this game"? You should know me better than this Jonny. I'm very inquisitive. If I think something doesn't make sense or I'd like clarification then I ask about it. Bum or Rayn are not scummy at this point. The only thing I don't like out of what Rayn has done is his discussion on Kush's plan, beyond that he's starting a lot of discussion and having conversations. That's good. I don't know much about Bum but his case on Rayn was a little far-fetched. I don't like how he's already linking players on d1 (even though it's not a hard-link as we did last game) since we saw what happens with that already last game. His case on VE, separate from what he said about Rayn makes more sense. I don't see a scum player already making far-fetched cases like this so early, and I think it was more a reaction case then anything to rayn's case. What do you think? | ||
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His case on Rayn is super weird, where exactly does what rayn does make him scum? He's pressuring a lot of people with cases and votes. Crossfire is calling him scum for not committing to them and switching targets a lot but how does that make rayn scum?? It doesn't. It makes him town. From town perspective everybody starts as neutral and either gets a mafia read or a town read... its the opposite as scum. Rayn builds cases on people he thinks are scum, and posts reasoning too, yet Crossfire just latches onto the action itself and NOT the reasoning of rayn's cases. Rayn is one of the most active people in this game, why does Crossfire feel the need to pressure rayn about something so weak? Then there's this: On January 20 2014 11:06 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't think it's quite that simple. I don't care if there are no named VTs or 1 or 2 or 3. Yes scum will be learn things about the setup, but honestly that doesn't matter because scum already know that there are X to Y power roles from their configuration. What claiming now does is prevent scum from being able to fake claim a named VT later. It prevents stupid things happening at lynches. Additionally, if we have power roles it gives them info about where they should begin using their powers. Even if scum decide to fake claim now, it's not like we're giving the named VTs a free pass, we're just treating them like miller claims where the info helps us and prevents scum from claiming something like that (e.g. miller) in the future. That's all. It all depends if you think it matters if scum knowing the setup is a bad thing or if the claims could even help our power roles. I'll let other people chime in on this. Ok. Back to this crazy Niners-Seahawks game. Where rayn points out why claiming Boxers is a bad thing for town and a good thing for mafia. He essentially brushes that off by saying "mafia already knows information about the setup" without really explaining what. Rayn gives him the courtesy to write out his expected outcomes from the plan but Crossfire does not reciprocate. ##vote Crossfire99 | ||
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As far as Crossfire: His case against rayn is bad and really construed, its very large but the only thing he is attacking is the fact that rayn has jumped around a lot. Like it doesn't make sense to put that much effort into that first off, and secondly why does he feel the need to pressure rayn of all people who is active as hell and will be more readable because of it. It just feels very wrong. The second bit about the Boxers claiming thing is obvious that there is scum motivation for discussing it and getting the town onboard. So him brushing off what was said is super suspicious. Other people who look bad: Jonnylaw, Artanis. Artanis's game plan is really weird and underwhelming to me. He comes in trying to hard read rayn, accuses him of being scum and then leaves. Not only did he only accuse you of being scum because he thinks you have "something to hide" but you had done so much already and now that there was more. | ||
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