On October 09 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote:
what did heavenz do to get permed?!

I'd like to sign up - umasi will you take me? I've played more than 3 games, but only 2 in recent times and the rest were years ago which I barely remember anything about!

PBU according to the ban list.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 09 2013 00:12 GMT

#70

Previously banned user.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 14 2013 16:11 GMT

#218

On October 14 2013 20:41 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Knowing that Seuss is a confirmed townie doesn't help the rest of the townies come up with any voting decision other than not voting for him.

Why Odin? Because no one else has come up with any sort of plan for townies organize around. I'm just going in blind and hoping Odin isn't scum.

Being organized is fine, but blind faith can be just as destructive.

On another note, we had this same debate about lynching lurkers in the last newbie game. Of course we want to avoid voting for people that are going to be mod killed, but if they at least talk once they are safe for the voting period. While I won't say we should 100% lynch a lurker, it's at least worth looking at people with low post contribution to see if anything suspicious stands out.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 14 2013 19:33 GMT

#247

It's not that safe of a bet. He could just as easily be a scum who started being active early to avoid suspicion. I'm not claiming Odin is scum, but your logic is far from infallible. I'd rather rally around the guy making the most sense, not the guy making some sense first. Im most interested in Susses' reads since we know he's not scum.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 14 2013 19:40 GMT

#254

Yeah...mitt isn't making a strong case for himself here. His play is just...bad. Like he certainly isn't helping himself if he's mafia or town. He's kinda just hurting whatever team he's on.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 15 2013 13:54 GMT

#294

Agreed, his play just doesn't make sense. Either he's a bad town or the ballsiest mafia player I've seen. I'm leaning towards just bad town. Still not sure who I want to vote for, need to reread the thread a bit, but I liked Suess' analysis of July and am leaning towards him as scummy.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 15 2013 15:05 GMT

#299

I agree he isn't contributing anything of value, but don't you think it's odd that if he's mafia he would be attracting so much attention to himself? Unless this is some next level reverse psychology I don't see him being mafia and playing so aggro.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 15 2013 22:33 GMT

#342

##Vote: Vonthin
I'm in the camp that thinks mitt is bad townie. I agree with everyone criticizing July, but Vonthin is also suspicious and closer to getting lynched. I'd rather put my vote toward him to try and lynch someone other than mitt.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 16 2013 16:47 GMT

#398

On October 16 2013 23:03 Bereft wrote:
@Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something.

that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz?

my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i
from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around.

on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight ><

I think I'm quieter this game than last one but that's due to irl responsibilities. Last time I just dug myself a grave by getting super defensive and doing a poor job of explaining myself. As for my vote I was clear upfront I was putting a lot of weight into Suess' analysis since I know he's town and a really smart guy.

I agree nyx has a lot of explaining to do. I realize he wanted to follow Odin, but the contradiction of not thinking mitt is mafia but still voting him anyway feels very scummy.

Honestly the only person I have a strong read on right now is Odin (town). The initial bandwagon on mitt and changing votes from there was a bit of a clusterfuck so getting a read on these events hasn't been easy.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 16 2013 17:12 GMT

#401

Eh, I just dropped the ball and forgot to mention him. But I agree with your analysis there, no need to rehash it.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 16 2013 17:56 GMT

#407

playerboy definitely seemed to overreact to that whole situation. Much like you I didn't read e00s post as a soft claim. I want to hear playerboy's reasoning as to why he read it as a soft claim. Simply bringing up a role doesn't mean you're soft claiming it. playerboy also seems to be lurking more than he did last game. Last game despite being mafia he was one of the first people to speak up and was active making a lot of people believe he was town (much like Odin this game). Something to explore but a little early to be making scum claims

Also, speaking of odin, I want to be careful we don't fall into the same trap we did last game. I was suspicious of playerboy early last game but sat on it because I didn't want to make enemies. I don't want to make the same mistake again. He's pushing july and nyx hard, which look goods on paper, but if either of them end up turning town if we lynch them, I think that looks bad for odin.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 16 2013 18:04 GMT

#409

You're right, that's a bad read on my part. A lot of people are anti-nyx so I guess that doesn't mean much.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 16 2013 18:37 GMT

#410

The more I think about it, I feel like nyx has been playing a weak town rather than strong mafia. His voting was weird, but other than that he hasn't done anything particularly scummy. He hasn't given us much to work with, but that could be a symptom of being a newer player rather than hiding in the shadows (a trap I fell into my first game). You could use this as a rallying point to get a lynch going knowing he's just playing a weak town and look innocent because other people agree he didn't contribute much. I single you out because a you are active and I think a lot of people think you are pro town and thus listen to what you have to say. This is something that happened to me last game and played a big role in the towns defeat.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 17 2013 13:12 GMT

#473

Well, Odin was town after all. That's good though, means we weren't completely being misled. I just wanted to put pressure there since I had the opportunity to last game and didn't. This of course casts a lot of suspicion on nyx and july if we assume mafia killed him. Almost seems too obvious though. If there is a SK going for Odin would be a good way of drawing heat to the players he was pressuring most.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 17 2013 21:53 GMT

#489

On October 18 2013 03:14 Balla24 wrote:
It is not technically your fault. Playerboy should not have reacted the way he did. There's no way around that.

I don't see how you think this is insignificant though... I like how you are reacting but then again you should be willing to talk about it if you have nothing to hide. I don't have any further questions about it though. So I on't be pushing it further unless it becomes relevant again.

There is no vigi. Vigi is a straight up idiot if he shot either odin or playerboy.

You're under suspicion on playerboy because of the sole fact that you are the one who brought up the cop thing. You're right though, I should take a step back. ANYBODY who realized playerboy was cop based on his reaction could have killed him.

How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 17 2013 23:37 GMT

#500

On October 18 2013 07:09 Balla24 wrote:

Show nested quote +

yeah you're right.. i didn't mean it in that way, i just wanted to deflect the thought that either of the kills could have been made by a vigi

Ah okay, just misunderstood. The C++ set up still confuses me so I thought maybe it was possible to know for sure there was no vig in the game.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 18 2013 04:02 GMT

#516

Damn, I really wish I had more to add (I know people have been calling out my lack of posts), but I'm just not coming up with much. nyx and july still seem scummy (or SK-y) and haven't really defended themselves much so not much has really changed there. Still, even if one of them is mafia, that still leaves two more of them out there.

Everyone seems to think Odin was the mafia kill and playerboy was the SK kill, but I'm not so sure. If the SK goes for Odin (who seems like the obvious mafia target), they are able to put a lot of pressure on july and nyx basically for free. It doesn't matter to him whether or not they are town or mafia, this kill increased suspicion even more and may lead to a lynch. Of course, if either july or nyx are actually mafia, it would make sense for them to kill someone else to take some of the heat away from themselves. Waking up and finding odin dead would certainly hurt this plan.