EPTDesert Mini Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
| ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
 | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 08:11 Sn0_Man wrote: So, idle speculation here: We have heathen mongrels and Unfaithful Worms mentioned in the daypost. 2 scum teams? I doubt it.
I do feel there is most likely at least one third party, due to this line from the OP On August 22 2013 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote: Third parties have their own victory conditions. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me. Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow. I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 09:03 Hopeless1der wrote: sciberbia, was my explanation for voting TK serious enough? "/sheep oats" was not, but I did appreciate your follow-up explanation, and I agree that TK's thought process is difficult to follow from a town perspective. @Tutankoopa Please explain your thought process this game with regards to rayn's alignment. Specifically, why did you pose a series of questions to him, and why did you then deem those questions as unworthy of answering? Did you think he might be scum because of the 'stunt' he pulled with his initial vote? If so, what changed your mind? | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Since you are very intent on understanding why I don't like your opening posts of the game, I will explain. The biggest problem is that the responses it generates are very similar from either alignment. sensible town response: wtf are you doing rayn? explain yourself. sensible scum response: wtf are you doing rayn? explain yourself. on TK For example, I'm having a hard time deciding whether TK's response was scum or town motivated. I can easily see scum motivation in trying to justify some wagon on rayn (assuming rayn is town), especially after sheeping onto yamato's policy wagon. However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor. I guess I'm back to nullish on TK. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 09:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: sciberbia my problem with you is that i have a hard time understanding any of your posts when i think of them from town!pov. But if I voted for one of my townreads then we'd be on the same page?  + Show Spoiler +this is a joke If you point me to something specific I'll try to clear it up for you. Generally speaking, my first two or three posts were mainly formalities to get discussion going, and my last two posts have been dedicated towards getting information on TK's thought process and sharing my thoughts on his alignment with the rest of the thread. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean, you say this: If that is a sensible response, why is your response this: Throw shit at me for no reason, throw shit at me for no reason, tell people to ignore me. I have a hard time understanding why? What have i done to make you feel so? I apologize for offending you rayn. I was in a rather bad mood because
Due to my rather bad mood, I perhaps was harsher than was warranted, but the main point of my discourse was to try to steer the thread towards (imo) more productive discussion. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me? Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content. I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck. I am sorry. I meant your second post. I have no ide why i have written "first" in that post of mine. Anyways that does not change the fact you have tried to get productive discussion going on with your posts, does it? Also because of the misunderstanding; What was the point of your second post in the game? It was to shut down speculation on 2 scum teams because I don't think that's very likely. It was also to bring to everyone's attention the strong possibility of one or more third parties. On August 29 2013 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: sciberbia you gonna be around for some time right? Let's discuss stuff. I need to smoke first. I'll be back in a bit. >_> yea I'll be around but I really don't feel like discussing any of this start-of-game stuff any longer so I hope you plan on changing the topic. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think of TK? I explained most of my thought process here: + Show Spoiler [me] + On August 29 2013 09:43 sciberbia wrote: on TK I'm having a hard time deciding whether TK's response was scum or town motivated. I can easily see scum motivation in trying to justify some wagon on rayn (assuming rayn is town), especially after sheeping onto yamato's policy wagon. However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor. I guess I'm back to nullish on TK. His most recent posts look fine to me. At least he posted some actual reads. I'm open to persuasion but right now I don't see any good reason to think he is scum. I'm leaning town if anything. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 11:35 yamato77 wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Marvellosity Seems like a warm place for my vote. If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why? | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 29 2013 13:19 debears wrote: #vote scibs his game reminds me of his scum game. In order to make any sort of meta read, you would have to show something this game that is similar to my scum games but different from my town games, which I am quite sure you cannot do. For one thing you've never even seen me play town. On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote: Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. Can you point to any good reason for thinking rayn is scum? Do you disagree with my reasons for thinking he's town? There's like a 75% chance he's town just on math, so given that I have several good reasons to think he's town I think 95% is reasonable. On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote: As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town). -- Does it look to you like I avoided early conflict with rayn this game? -- I didn't even explain how I thought he was town until he unvoted me. I don't think you thought this through very well. Of course you can ask me who I think is mafia. I'm a little disappointed because there isn't much to go on yet, but my best guesses at mafia would be sn0_man, yourself, and yamato, in that order. 1) sn0_man for being in the thread for hours without doing anything relevant at all. And making some weird comment about being content with his vote on me, but then unvoting me for no reason. 2) Yourself for making some imo poor scumhunting attempts -- see above. Not sure how much of that is due to alchohol and how much due to your alignment though. 3) And yamato for being in the thread but avoiding engaging in discussion. Also I don't understand why marv is his strongest scumread for being useless when there is a whole handful of players who are as of yet equally useless. I'd appreciate it if sylencia/tofu/yamato/anyone would chime in with agree/disagree on these three. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
OK fair enough -- thanks for your perspective. You have any scumreads you care to discuss? On August 29 2013 16:42 yamato77 wrote: So many of you have no idea how to play D1 @yamato Well since you're so enlightened why don't you explain what we simpletons could be doing to better help town win the game? | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: 1) Asking for a meta read this early is dumb. You and I both know that. That's a feel read. Your saying that this game *feels* like my scum game is a meta read by my definition. If you want to redefine it as a "feel" read fine whatever but it's still completely unsubstantiated. On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: 2) You sound so confident that raynp is town. 95% is reserved for those who actually do something with their posts. Raynp has made this thread very hard to read (which does have scum motivation). While I wouldn't lynch him today based on his activity, I'm not gonna say he's 95% town. And I don't see how you, as town, would come to that %. It looks like you haven't read any of rayn's posts after the first page or so. I would say rayn has done plenty with his posts -- probably more than every other player in the thread. His nonsense spammy posts were confined to the first hour or two, and I see town motivation behind all of his posts. He is super-active, indignant, analytical, and imo genuine. If you have a problem with 95% then I will amend to 'fairly strong town read'. On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: 3) While I didn't explain this point well, I will in the future post on you. (Damn alcohol) I'm shivering with anticipation. On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: 4) My point with the "could i say the same to you" was that you hadn't actually pinned down a scum, or even had a scum read at that point ( I saw a null read on TK. then a town read on raynp if i remember correctly), yet you are so eager to ask yamato for his. Kinda hippocritical, no>? No there is no hypocrisy there whatsoever. I don't need to have an scum reads of my own in order to be interested in who yamato thinks is scum. On August 30 2013 01:08 debears wrote: Frankly, while I agree with your reads somewhat on Sn0, yamato, and raynp, those are not "hard reads" by any stretch of the imagination. And some of your posts indicate scum mindset, while your actual contributions haven't been committal Sorry if I don't have the game solved just yet but at least I'm not writing a bunch of nonsense about people. If you're town debears you better read the thread and get your shit together cuz I'm not impressed so far. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote: I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. I just want to say that this is an absolutely terrible attitude and I really hope nobody else thinks like this. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:14 yamato77 wrote: It's how I win every other mini that I won as town. I don't know what the fuck minis you're playing but in the four minis I've played/followed with town marv, he has -- been useless D1 and shot N1 (proceeded to win) -- been useless D1 and shot N1 (proceeded to lose) -- been wrong on almost every read D1 and was surely scum MVP (was carried by me/DP/iamp) -- survived until endgame and lost I'm sure he's had better games as well, but banking on town!marv or town!hapa carrying the game is a terrible idea from where I'm standing. If anything you should ignore marv and hapa for now since if either is town they'll surely be shot N1 since everyone seems to think they walk on water. Jeez. In response to your post, I don't find anything you said about marv or hapa that interesting. They aren't on my radar at the moment. marv's attitude doesn't seem markedly different to me, and I sympathized with what hapa said about debears so I disagree with your suspicions there. I see debears is posting more stuff about me so imma go see if it's worth responding to.` | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
One thing I will say is that I was willing to respond to rayn's posts because I think he is most likely town, and he started actually playing the game and making reasonable points. On the other hand, I think debears is quite possibly scum and I think everything he's posted about me is rubbish so unless somebody else wants something clarified I'm not responding to his stuff anymore. | ||
|
sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
fine I'll respond to debears after I get through more important stuff like re-reading the posts since last night and figuring out who we should lynch today. | ||
| ||
