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Oats is most likely town and should be listened to. | ||
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Expect a lot of reads after i have actually read the thread. | ||
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Vivax - Has good posts and trying to figre out stuff. On the other hand i feel like something is not right here. I have no idea what it is but i think Vivax is worth looking more closely into. Clarity_nl - Definitely yown. I like his thought process on like everything. Is pushing his reads and doing that hard. IMCaptainJackSparrow - Town, pretty sure of it. His exchange with exarezee was interesting and he came out of it much better looking. I think he should let Oats go and find a mafia target instead. It's not so hard to see Oats is town. Paperscraps - Posting feel genuine and he had good points until his last post. This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=26#501 , where he says he should not explain why his read on Oats is what it is. That to me seems like he has a read on Oats that he is not able to explain. Bad. Malongo - Purely based on his first post and my experience with him in other games. VayneAuthority - I think Vayne's posting implies he is town. I don't like him not giving out his reads if he thinks someone is mafia, but that's how he rolls on D1 as town. Definitely not worth lynching. Stutters695 - I really liked Stutters' post about Vivax early on. I dunno what makes him think CJS is mafia, and i'm waiting on his case on paperscraps. hzflank - I had a big big red read on hzflank before this: "I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum." That basically proves that hzflank is town, that is so incredibly genuine. Koshi - Says people should not pressure FT, wrong. People who are scummy should be pressured. His vote on hzflank is horrible, it's clear that he doesn't even think the dude is scum. Other than that he has not done anything that can be considered scumhunting. FirmTofu - Early on says that "we should talk about the game instead of general bullshit", which he has been talking about in his every post before that. Later on he corrects himself that he was talking about RPing, gifs etc. That's as useless as lurker-lynch talk. tsk tsk. CJS posts btw are totally not fluff, they were at time amongst the best in the game. His stance on JAT is fucking weird and his exarezee case accuses him for same things he says about JAT. He is throwing shit left and right but not trying to figure out who are scum with exarezee, who is he voting at. He is not questioning him at all but soft-accusing other people. justanothertownie - I don't think he has said anything useful. His vote on Paper is pretty shitty because paper has at least expressed some reads, which JAT has not done at all. Only thing he has done is to get into a shitfest with Oats, which is not useful thing to do for a townie. exarezee - He has posted a fuckton and he is new. I don't think there is a chance that he is mafia based purely on that. The cases / votes on him are shit, none of those reasons make him mafia. Vivax, who do you actually think is mafia? Where is your head at. I was assuming you to take a town leading status and drive the discussion into important matters. You are staying in the sidelines and not doing much. Why is that? Koshi, all you have done is posted useless lists. Who do you think is scum and why? What is your stance on FirmTofu? Do you still think he is town? FirmTofu, wanna lynch Koshi? Or can you give me reasons to not lynch him? Stutters, you wanna make that case on Paper? ##Vote: FirmTofu Definitely scummiest person so far. His case on exarezee is bad. All the points on him are assumptions that cannot be defended against other than "no, you are wrong". There is no concrete evidence. Then he calls him wishy-washy as exarezee does not have a clear stance on someone. Look at what he says about JAT after that. "I can move my vote on him if you make a good enough case". Right... | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? | ||
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I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why? | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Not stolen from me, not that that matters. Are you saying you agree or disagree that your listpost has a lot of thread sentiment in it? If you had read the thread you'd know the answer to that question, no I don't want to lynch him. I don't care if my reads follow the thread sentiment. They seem to do so, yes. What does that say to you? That i am scum because i think like other people in this game do? Does that sound ligical to you, because to me it sounds ridiculous. Why do you think we should lynch Stutters ot Malongo?`If you can point out something that makes one of them scum i'm willing to look closer into it. | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote: If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town. Why does it matter that you biggest scumread is pushing paper? What if you are wrong? Are you ignoring the possibility that Paper is mafia because of pre-flip association? That to me sounds like an excuse to avoid voting for / looking into someone. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:00 Stutters695 wrote: And reading your part on Malongo Rayn I must say I disagree there. Any continued effort on his part and I'd believe you but one post is not a trend. It wasn't even that good of a post. I can understand your logic but that's null as shit to me. If we can't agree on a lynch I'd totally lynch him today but he's really better left to any vigs we have. Yeah, i agree that if Malongo does not contribute he should be vigged. My townread on him is very slim, but i have seen him not giving shit in any games he has played with me. He can go inactive for a day for any reason, and it's not alignment indicative for him. In last game he shot me right at the game start because i was not in the mason QT in the first hour.. He's not always logical and that does not make him mafia. On July 29 2013 05:02 exarezee wrote: You could look into paper's posts and form a thought on whether he is town or mafia rather than basing it solely on what you think my alignment is. That's my point.. ^^ I would like to hear from Clarity what makes Stutters/Malongo mafia, and why is FT town? I don't see him explaining these things. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:17 Clarity_nl wrote: If you agreed with SOME popular opinions in the thread then yes, that's perfectly fine. If you agree with ALL popular opinions in the thread (and do not share a unique perspective with the town) then you're either scum just trying to fit in or an unhelpful townie. I don't agree with your reasons for Malongo being town, since if he's scum what you say still applies, but what you're saying about Vivax seems genuine. Am re-reading a bit now so gonna disappear. I am confused now. Are you calling me scum or not? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:19 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn, I've explained what makes FT town, then I explained it again because oats can't read, now I have to do it a third time? Go away. Wait your townread on Malongo is suddenly very slim? You seemed pretty confident in your list post. Why even have him as green on there. I would think if you base it off one post you better be damn sure your read on him is strong. So these are your reasons: + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean, I find the thing FirmTofu just did kinda hard to fake. Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours. ##Unvote Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo. On July 28 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah I don't think FT is scum anymore yo. I'm having issues with paper, yes he looks scummy but there's never been any pushbacks up until now, when suddenly and FT wagon is being formed (which makes sense, his posting is kinda scummy) It's that interaction where we was SUPER EXCITED HE FOUND A SCUMSLIP that happened, can't really see him as anything but town after that in my eyes. You need to elaborate more on the matter. I don't see any reasons there. At least good ones. For the reference check my filter from Catch 22 mafia D1, these things are not hard to fake. It's not "suddenly" very slim. It's a slight town read but still green. Deal with it. I don't want to lynch him because there are a lot of more scummy players. Now explain exactly why does FT "finding a scumslip that's not a scumslip" make him town? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:37 Malongo wrote: Ryan I still dont see why lynching Paper helps us, the guy is null towards townie to me. What makes you think he is town? I don't see much good in his filter. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:40 Vivax wrote: I really didn't like his questions to me, they looked like loaded questions of the "Why do you beat your wife" sort, and him saying he doesn't think I'm scum after finding me extremely suspicion was also boggling, to say the least. Being presented with the scumslip thing and the way he pushed me I was left with a rather townish feeling, plus the fact that he wasn't staying in a comfy tunnel as XRZ was trying to suggest to me. Your take on my arguments against JAT? I think your arguments against JAT are good, he would be my second pick as lynch. I still think FT is more likely to flip mafia. To you too, it's not hard to fake finding a scumslip, look at my Catch 22 D1. I even accused my scumbuddy of a scumslip because i know some townies would think it's nothing rofl. I think that's at best a null-tell. What do you think? | ||
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