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s0Lstice
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lots of scummy shit happening right now, so let's get to work. this is the scummiest post in the thread so far: On June 30 2013 07:00 Stutters695 wrote: Know something we don't? The op lists two possible millers as roles. Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters. Early town read on Rayn for diving on this. His reaction exactly matched mine. I don't agree at all with your town read on Lazer though, Rayn. Look at how much time he has spent on Marv's miller claim. You know how to deal with a miller claim? You ignore it. All it means is don't DT check the person and that's it. Figure out their alignment just like you would anybody else. The fact that he goes on and on about it looks to me not like he is trying to get at Marv's alignment, but rather he is feeling comfortable talking about a very safe topic in preference to anything of consequence. When he made this quote: On June 30 2013 09:33 Lazermonkey wrote: But what do you want to talk about then? While I agree talking about his claim isn't very productive untill more players have showed up, I'd rather talk about Marv than nothing. ...there was plenty to talk about. Doesn't sit right with me. More, his conclusion from the discussion should be the public assertion that Marv is not 100% confirmed town. He mentions this, but hesitates to draw a line between scummy or wrong for the people who are saying otherwise (Rayn). Smells fishy. Vivax- What are you doing here? On June 30 2013 07:45 Vivax wrote: Marv so silent. Whassup marv. That seems unusual. Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here, and said activity would be light in the early going? Explain yourself. Explain this too while you're at it: On June 30 2013 07:59 Vivax wrote: Well ok. I reviewed things a little. We have 2 guys saying their activity will be shit on D1 (marv and the new guy) Then we have WoS say: I'm not really going to be around until late tonight, so no (as reply to "Hey you got anything to say?") So yeah, kinda asshole answer. But also kinda careless. I'd treat it as null, and it's not really comparable to the announcement that the whole of D1 will be of low activity. I also realized I partially parroted Rayn's reasons for stutter's posts looking bad. Apologies I'm a little drunk coz of my weekend feast and wrote pretty spontaneously. Going to bed now tho. See you sober. Who gives a shit? Why are you so self-conscious? Anyway, little break now. More in just a bit. | ||
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On June 30 2013 13:10 JarJarDrinks wrote: How is the post scummy though? Yes, It's a pretty dumb statement because like you said: It makes no sense to think that scum would know how many millers are in the game. Which means there's no way the that it could implicate rayn as scum. So if any thought was given to that post, stutters would realize that. I think the fact that stutters clearly made the post without giving it much thought makes him more likely to be town. If it could in no way implicate Rayn as scum, why did Stutters suggest Rayn is scum? Do townies suggest people are scum without considering the reason behind why they are doing so? Townies call people scum for BAD reasons, yes, but no townie does it without any reason at all. This is what scum do. | ||
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I'd argue that the implication that Rayn had access to information that he shouldn't have is just about the same thing. | ||
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On June 30 2013 14:01 JarJarDrinks wrote: My top scum suspect right now is s0Lstice. His entire first post + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2013 13:00 s0Lstice wrote: my inbox is evergreen lots of scummy shit happening right now, so let's get to work. this is the scummiest post in the thread so far: Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters. Early town read on Rayn for diving on this. His reaction exactly matched mine. I don't agree at all with your town read on Lazer though, Rayn. Look at how much time he has spent on Marv's miller claim. You know how to deal with a miller claim? You ignore it. All it means is don't DT check the person and that's it. Figure out their alignment just like you would anybody else. The fact that he goes on and on about it looks to me not like he is trying to get at Marv's alignment, but rather he is feeling comfortable talking about a very safe topic in preference to anything of consequence. When he made this quote: ...there was plenty to talk about. Doesn't sit right with me. More, his conclusion from the discussion should be the public assertion that Marv is not 100% confirmed town. He mentions this, but hesitates to draw a line between scummy or wrong for the people who are saying otherwise (Rayn). Smells fishy. Vivax- What are you doing here? Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here, and said activity would be light in the early going? Explain yourself. Explain this too while you're at it: Who gives a shit? Why are you so self-conscious? Anyway, little break now. More in just a bit. Yea, or I'm town and am attacking stuff that looks scummy. Let's hear your explanation on how I'm 'reaching.' | ||
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On June 30 2013 13:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh right Oats it was you who called him scum for not following up and whatnot. Do you not remember how he played in Ego when he was town? Or Carnival Cruise? I don't see anything he has done so far as being scummy at all. Solstice I'd put Lazermonkey as town right now, strong analysis right off the bat, gets discussion moving, not afraid to give concrete reads and throw his vote where he wants. It's also the way he does his analysis; he shows he's actively trying to figure out what marv is up to and while this could be fake I don't believe it is. What about his analysis was strong? He spent all that time trying to dissect a miller claim when there were definitely more important things going on. I call it choosing the safe route. | ||
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On June 30 2013 14:20 Oatsmaster wrote: So whats your problem with stutters statement? Its accurate I've explained this before, but here goes. Stutters expressed suspicion towards Rayn with his 'know something we don't?' question. This is an implication that Rayn had information that townies shouldn't have. So, follow the thought process. Rayn knows there is only 1 miller in the game--> Rayn is suspicious for knowing this. Except...scum don't have this information. It doesn't feel right. | ||
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bed time for me. I'd like to see if others get similar vibes from Lazermonkey and Vivax as well, so comment on what I wrote folks. | ||
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Lazer is back to null for me. Few things..I actually like how he treated the Vayne thing. You can see the recognition in his posts that Vayne must be a lightning rod in every game he plays in, and he asked where instead he could have attacked. I like too that he defended Rayn against thread sentiment here: On June 30 2013 20:29 Lazermonkey wrote: My biggest problem with Rayn being scum atm is the fact that it seems that he took an unnecessarily hard aproach to the whole Marv being miller thing. Why couldn't he just say something like "you you guys are right" and avoid all this shit at him? Stuff like this is more likely to come from a stubborn townie IMO. Speaking of Rayn, I do not want to lynch him today. This thing with Marv is being blown way out of proportion. There is easy town motivation for Rayn being comfortable with Marv based on his claim. It literally boils down 'Marv is unlikely to fakeclaim miller 5 minutes into the game.' This is not an unreasonable thought. It's not about whether you agree with the assessment, it's about whether or not it makes sense for town Rayn to think this, or rather, if there is equally plausible town motivation for doing so. I say there is...how many times have you seen a townie give another townie green points for a miller claim? Now, in regards to Stutters...his response to the Rayn thing: On June 30 2013 22:46 Stutters695 wrote: Alright, I'm catching up now. Jesus Christ I didn't expect that type of response. I'll go through and answer people's questions and get my reads out in a bit. To answer the main question though, it was early d1. I wanted to see how he'd react to an accusation. I did find it weird he was so sure there was 1 miller and there is the possibility he could be scum and assume because he/his teammate got RB he accidentally slipped that town had to have better PRs than miller. Obviously since no one else claimed, it is impossible, but after the triple cop claim and double mason fiasco in Les Mis I'm a bit weary of people who "know"how the setup is supposed to be. With that said though his reaction and thought process makes him the towniest motherfucker here. Especially after themed, I really doubt he'd be scum. Now catching up. The explanation makes sense, but I find myself immediately not caring because of the follow-up on Rayn being the towniest etc. Oats commented on this, and Vivax summed up my thoughts pretty much with this: On July 01 2013 00:24 Vivax wrote: I can look it up myself I guess: So basically, what makes Rayn so townie is that he asks a question you don't answer, votes for you, and asks me to look at you. Then, when so many agree on you looking bad, he switches to WoS, asking us to find the reason, I still don't see him mentioning that reason by himself in his filter. So basically, you, his first scumread, never answered his question (which you could do now btw). He proceeds to drop a vote on WoS, then is busy defending himself, but nevertheless he doesn't try to find reasons for you or WoS to be decent lynches. So yeah, I kinda have trouble seeing how his reaction is so townie in your opinion. Happy birthday by the way. Also this chain of posts seriously makes my skin crawl: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2013 03:47 Stutters695 wrote: You're misunderstanding. I'm leaning scum on him now, that was explaining why I thought he was town when I woke up this morning and did a quick skim. Although I do think accepting a miller claim isn't unreasonable. It essentially is just having someone say "hey, don't check me because you'll waste your power (pre-parity announcement) and cause a mislynch." It doesn't in any way confirm Marv, but ensures he is judged on the basis of his actual play. That he's so sure Marv is town is worrisome but I can see where he is coming from to a certain extent. I also don't like how many people are slipping by saying absolutely nothing. Even if we lynch him we should hear his reads and force these hardcore lurkers to post something. On July 01 2013 03:50 Stutters695 wrote: I guess part of it is how easy this has been that's concerning me. Scum could be sitting idly by arguing between us but when everyone active is on Rayn we'll get nothing going forward, we should at least look into a couple other people. On July 01 2013 04:15 Stutters695 wrote: @WoS Je m'en fous This is how I always play. My day 1 reads are notoriously bad. I find generating discussion to be a much better use of my time. I literally have no idea what he thinks of Rayn. Leaning scum, but then offers repeated hedges against the notion? It's filled with trepidation. Yea, I still want to kill this guy. Also, Vivax is looking town. Don't drink and post I guess, dude. ##vote Stutters | ||
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In Les Mis, as scum, he has a laser focus on BH In one of his newb games, as scum, he has a laser focus on jkirby. In Roulette, as town, he pushes Oats, but also expresses suspicions towards WoS and Sentinel. In another newb game, as town, he goes after TheRavensName, and also Frogron almost equally. Links to these games are in this spoiler, have a look: + Show Spoiler + I'm typically not a fan of including newb games in a meta argument, but it's definitely enough to make me nervous of JarJar. I want to know who is scum outside of me, JarJar, and why. | ||
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its pretty clear you were writing that while I was reading your past games. if the meta doesn't hold, it doesn't hold. I'm very frustrated in regards to you JJ. I feel like the combination of you suspecting me for bad reasons and misreading you in Les Mis is really fucking with me. I think the wise thing is to wait and see a bit. I definitely need to read gumshoe. I haven't had time to look hard at his filter after a feel based town read, so he's a bit of a blindspot for me. | ||
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Marv, do me a favor and read through Stutters quick and tell me what you think. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:47 Lazermonkey wrote: Ignore stutters please. This lynch is between me/fuba/WoS/Vayne. That's easier said than done. I got an immediate town feeling from him in Roulette (before I had to replace out) and it's just not happening here...plus the stuff I've written on him already. We got time, and it seems like there are plenty of people here. How is Stutters not an option? | ||
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On June 30 2013 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote: Something rubs me the wrong way about lazermonkeys posting Starts off the thread not even wanting to scum hunt. Throws down a troll vote early, see jaybrundage in roulette for how something innocent just pads your filter with bs. Eager to jump on the stutters be before he has even defended himself His 6th post is just insanely scummy read it and tell me otherwise Rest of his filter is useless speculation He gets my vote until I can talk with him more and get a better read Can't vote right now as its much too precise to bold shit on an iPad but will contribute more when I'm home tomorrow night This post is the most analysis I've ever seen him do on day 1. This is lame, but I feel inclined to give townie points here. It feels like a genuine change. What do you guys think about this post? WoS was talking about it a little earlier. | ||
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On July 02 2013 05:56 marvellosity wrote: I'm not certain being non-commital as fuck is even alignment indicative for him. We've both seen him as scum Marv, I dont remember anything like that post in Les Mis. It's just so starkly different. Why even make a post like this as town? Have you bothered looking at his subsequent posts for how his view changes on Lazer? How he's as non-committal as fuck basically? | ||
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