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Richard Lewis from cadred.org has shared his thoughts on the root gaming house campaign.
Link to the article
And here is a part of said article.
Whatever you think of all that, there was a new low recently that is the e-sports equivalent of the homeless beggar that sits by a cashpoint and then asks you for change. Except, you know, he actually has a good reason for doing it. It was no surprise to see Root Gaming involved either, a recent string of incredibly bad judgement calls making the one professional decision that e-sports deemed they made correctly – the parting of the ways with Steven “Destiny” Bonnell – look like some sort of fluke moment of clarity. Since then they seem to have consistently plumbed the depths in a desperate bid to look anything other than a small time organisation that was one time relevant in a game when it was in beta.
You see, they want YOU to buy them a gaming house. Many top organisations have found ways and means to pay for them – and can actually justify them through excellence in the field of e-sports – but ROOT offer so much to the e-sports landscape that it’s only fair you make a contribution to that. If that doesn’t get you reaching for your wallets and hastily logging into Paypal just check out the tawdry incentives…
After reading a few of his articles i disliked Richard Lewis quite a lot, but I still thought he was a reasonable guy with a different opinion. But after reading this i am simply amazed that this guy calls himself a journalist. Here is my reddit post answering his article
http://www.reddit.com/r/esports/comments/1dhw09/the_begging_bowl/c9qge35
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Richard Lewis likes to create controversy. He does write legit pieces from time to time but he stoops to Kotaku levels of nerd-baiting a little bit too much for my liking.
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Actually he do got a point. Is it morally and ethical correctly for a professional esport organisation to ask the fans for money? I don't know but its defiantly a point to be made
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On May 02 2013 04:00 Benjamin99 wrote:
Actually he do got a point. Is it morally and ethical correctly for a professional esport organisation to ask the fans for money? I don't know but its defiantly a point to be made
yes there is but he covered that with so much misinformation and speculation that you cant actually see the point.
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On May 02 2013 04:00 Benjamin99 wrote:
Actually he do got a point. Is it morally and ethical correctly for an professional esport organisation to ask the fans for money? I don't know but its defiantly a point to be made
Yup, absolutely. People can do whatever the hell they want when it comes to their money, within the bounds of the law. If they want to give it to ROOT for a house, nobody gets to say that's "wrong". Crowd-funding is more and more commonplace these days. You can call it begging all you want, but as much as you want it to, it does not delegitimize the organization or the fundraising effort.
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You're right, It reads more like a forum post from TL or reddit than it does a piece of journalism,
What I like about Root is their story. It just started with Catz and Drewbie playing 2v2. Now they have sponsors and Koreans on their roster. While they have made questionable decisions, I like to give them the benefit of the doubt. They're the underdogs.
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The wording and agressiveness in his article puts me off, but he has a point, doesn't he?
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You can tell he's just itching for controversy by including the topic of Destiny's release in his article.
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Somebody needs pageviews...
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Have never liked Richard Lewis or Cadred for that matter. But I am definately not a fan of teams asking for money. I remember vVv doing it and I thought it was out-right pathetic. At least with ROOT you have a general idea of where the money is going though.
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On May 02 2013 03:55 Fabozi wrote:Richard Lewis from cadred.org has shared his thoughts on the root gaming house campaign. Link to the articleAnd here is a part of said article. Show nested quote +Whatever you think of all that, there was a new low recently that is the e-sports equivalent of the homeless beggar that sits by a cashpoint and then asks you for change. Except, you know, he actually has a good reason for doing it. It was no surprise to see Root Gaming involved either, a recent string of incredibly bad judgement calls making the one professional decision that e-sports deemed they made correctly – the parting of the ways with Steven “Destiny” Bonnell – look like some sort of fluke moment of clarity. Since then they seem to have consistently plumbed the depths in a desperate bid to look anything other than a small time organisation that was one time relevant in a game when it was in beta.
You see, they want YOU to buy them a gaming house. Many top organisations have found ways and means to pay for them – and can actually justify them through excellence in the field of e-sports – but ROOT offer so much to the e-sports landscape that it’s only fair you make a contribution to that. If that doesn’t get you reaching for your wallets and hastily logging into Paypal just check out the tawdry incentives… After reading a few of his articles i disliked Richard Lewis quite a lot, but I still thought he was a reasonable guy with a different opinion. But after reading this i am simply amazed that this guy calls himself a journalist. Here is my reddit post answering his article http://www.reddit.com/r/esports/comments/1dhw09/the_begging_bowl/c9qge35
Wow, this guy doesn't seem to have a clue.
If he would of even bothered to check out the actual fundraiser as it happened he would of seen they were more than willing to go further into details of their plans, what the money is going toward, and what they would do if this didn't work out...I would post these things, but I doubt he would even bother to read them because it seems he has no idea how to be an actual journalist and give something other than his own opinion (ie. facts).
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On May 02 2013 04:03 grs wrote:
The wording and agressiveness in his article puts me off, but he has a point, doesn't he?
There is a point in there but people gave the money away knowing they wont get the info about every dollar. And shitting on chobopeon and than proceeding to spill bullshit is just hilarious.
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This is Richard Lewis not letting go.
On May 02 2013 04:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
Richard Lewis would have a point if he fucking drew more examples from both sides of the tale. You have BeyondTheSummit who wanted to do something of a studio and was raised by fans of the scene and the people part of BTS.
You have other kickstarters, ones that failed and others that are about documentaries. He could have talked about TL's approach towards a "make first, pay what you want for its worth later" and how that should be more optimal when catering to the charitable side of communities and E-Sports.
But instead, he gripped his anger at ROOT, bled his hand on a thorn so he could scrawl a veil of an actual issue to just perpetuating issues and holes with ROOT's fundraiser (which there are a few problems, but there are examples also imitating similarly before ROOT).
Could have went from general to specifics to an overlying general point of how this scene is built (from the bottom and at the top). But it feels more like setting the stage of a general issue and then making ROOT the prime suspect.
I mean for the love of God, you could have targeted some people who beg for donations purely to send themselves to travel to events. Not even players, just people and they actually get a large amount...
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I've never been impressed with this guy's writing nor his idea of the "scene" and this article just further supports such beliefs. He writes with an authority that goes wholly unsubstantiated and ends up coming off like a tabloid journalist.
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On May 02 2013 04:00 Benjamin99 wrote:
Actually he do got a point. Is it morally and ethical correctly for a professional esport organisation to ask the fans for money? I don't know but its defiantly a point to be made
yes it is.
it's not like they're lying about where the moneys going. they are saying "give us your money to help us build a house" and people are like, "ok, heres my money"
there's nothing unethical or tricky or sneaky about it.
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though he does have a point
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He has a point but no one from community will ever try to think about it since CatZ is so much liked by the community.
Just the fact that we already have a 2nd project like that in less than a week -> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/al-gaming-house
is a joke itself.
People shouldn't be allowed to abuse the community so much. It's the same as nowdays' Kickstarter trend to ask people for money to make a game that you have to buy afterwards. Totally wtf
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On May 02 2013 04:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:00 Benjamin99 wrote:
Actually he do got a point. Is it morally and ethical correctly for an professional esport organisation to ask the fans for money? I don't know but its defiantly a point to be made Yup, absolutely. People can do whatever the hell they want when it comes to their money, within the bounds of the law. If they want to give it to ROOT for a house, nobody gets to say that's "wrong". Crowd-funding is more and more commonplace these days. You can call it begging all you want, but as much as you want it to, it does not delegitimize the organization or the fundraising effort.
That's exactly what I thought. Nobody's forcing people to give them money, if they have fans who want to support the players then what's the problem?
Cadred a cesspit as ever I see, Source kiddies.
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I have no opinion on the subject except that, if Root offers so much entertainment to their fans that people are willing to donate money towards a gaming house then who are we to say that is wrong or right? Call it begging, or whatever, but if people are compelled enough to go through with it then that's their prerogative.
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will catz reply and acknowledge this feud, allowing it to continue?
stay tuned
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