EPTUnless that ends up being the case though~ /obs
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Obzy
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Unless that ends up being the case though~ /obs | ||
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Time to realize that actually playing games gives a similar sensation to ranked anxiety and after this one I likely stop for another 9 newbies to play in 50, or something equally ridiculous~ but atm, seems I've forgotten that feeling and have temporarily taken leave of my senses wheeee | ||
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The curse of the obzerver is such that I hesitated for several minutes before deciding to compliment the flavor :l Posting is too hard. Public Service Announcement; I'm moving today - if I'm not as active as desired, sorry. I'll try to get internet and be able to play tonight so hopefully it won't be noticeable that I wasn't here at game start, just wanted to mention this before role PMs go out. ^_^;; + Show Spoiler + And another several minute pause. | ||
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(As an aside, the last game's activity was low enough to get me to think "Well, maybe I can contribute on that scale." lets see if i'm right i guess ;x) so commenting on what's been said thus far~ I definitely think talking about policy is worth it at the beginning, 100% to get people posting. Look at the difference between my previous game (XXX) and XXXIX; Night 1 falling on page 50 compared to page 12. Admittedly, lots of discussion in that thread was just spammy, but it really helped town build opinions on people as opposed to where very few things are said, and it's kind of a crapshoot. I honestly would rather talk about policies that I legitimately think are stupid in order to help drive conversation and help people start talking about things, as opposed to sitting back. (that all said - if we have other things to discuss then policy can go to the side.) | ||
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(Of course, the best option is if we can just identify somebody scummy ^^) | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:45 Rainbows wrote: My point. Keep in mind the following question isn't policy-based. Let's say we have this one guy, super emotional, yelling at people, voting all over the place. Call him guy A. Guy B is cool, suave, making decent points here and there, voting is in line with his thinking. Guy C is hardcore lurking are barely here, but won't get modkilled because he votes. Guy D is kinda wimpy, and sheeps cases but is also hard to read. Who do we lynch? Honestly, you'd hope that there's somebody who isn't any of these. Person A is driving town discussion, person B is trying to be logical, and ideally, clear in his thought processes and not trying to hide information. Person C is sort of the classic lurker lynch, and we should try to help people avoid being person C. Person D is just a newbie who isn't clear on his thinking, and should be interacted with more (imho ^^) to help said person become easier to read. Sheeping cases doesn't really bother me much to be totally honest  But being hard to read is a problem. | ||
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Although I don't want to lynch lurkers, the reason is because I'd prefer we simply don't have lurkers lol. =0 Is anybody here or is it just me atm? Which is astounding, as an aside. In my other game, it wasn't possible for me to post twice in a row because it was so talkative heh. | ||
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So, a question to our four nonposters (that's JarJarDrinks, jampidampi, Warent, and nobodywonder) - What do you think of Sarif, as Rainbows just pointed out? He's only got one post, so just a gut reaction is acceptable. Just frigging post lol :3 Can't read someone that can't post. (And if Sarif feels like he needs to talk a bit more as a result; as opposed to just letting us chew on his single policy thought, more's the better  The idea isn't just to toss out the policy, it's to discuss it! (imo))+ Show Spoiler + On sarif... Rainbows, I'm less bothered about what he said and more so in that it's all he said. (I don't really intend on placing a vote until day 2, as an aside.) His first bit about policy being a nifty thing to discuss is good imho, but his second part? >_> By that logic, I'm spamming! Would the thread honestly be better if it had just remained relatively quiet? Even assuming I'm actually useless and what I'm saying isn't really interesting to anyone, even the Obz thread viewers, I still think that talking is useful, as long as it's not vitriolic and looking for fights. Discussion is good. Being an asshole, of course, is not - but discussion is definitely good. Tossing this in a spoiler in case the other four happen to not check it and give us their thoughts first ^^ | ||
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Jrkirby, I think it's Plurality - 'Voting Rules: 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses).' - If it was majority, then a tie could not occur, since two players can't both have a majority. Saraf - Alright, sounds good. Please share what your findings are regarding people that comment on your thoughts when you return! Jampi - Welcome! Rainbows' post looks like it's just to generate conversation without dwelling on policy discussion, but he certainly may have a different reason that he'll toss out when he reads. *shrug~* | ||
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Anyone have any questions for me? ^^ I'm significantly happier answering them, as opposed to asking them. So Jampi - you're against any and all policies whatsoever? I'm sure that one could be found that you agree with, so you clearly only mean a subset of policies. What specifically were you thinking of? (I likely agree with you, just wondering if you had any in mind outside the normal-ish-seeming lurker lynch, etc.) I think it was reasonable [rainbows' questioning] - at the very least, it's a way to reach out to people that are quiet with a question. I was helped enormously by people asking questions in my first game, (and to be honest, I _still_ really like being asked questions. They really encourage me to post instead of mulling over my own thoughts.) | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote:I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - kirby, does that mean you eventually do want to lynch all the lurkers? :l | ||
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Something I did a lot of in the previous game was looking at everyone's opinions of each other - like, if person A considers person B town, and so does C, D, E, F - and nobody considers them mafia, I marked it as being a "safe townread for the town." Whereas the two scum were both seen as scummy by the town as a whole, and the eventual (mis  )lynch was a townie whom everybody seemed to be null, leaning null-er on. This wouldn't've been possible without townreads being made available; so again, does anybody have any thoughts?+ Show Spoiler + Mafia wants to provide as little information as possible. Town wants to be informed to make correct decisions. Townreads get shot for being unlynchable townreads, which I gather is the reason that giving out your townreads could be seen as "bad".. - but is that all that bad, really? After all, it narrows down the lynch pool, one would think. [Personal thoughts ^_^;;] | ||
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although I sort of fail to see how splash damage can come from lurkers, given that in a mafia game a lurker is more like a stop lurker that just never un-stops but you have to eliminate all units of the enemy player because they refuse to gg and this is being stretched too far. And okay jampi, I agree with being against policy lynches, for the most part. | ||
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man i just really hope we don't have lurkers haha i feel like my opinion is bouncing back and forth. + Show Spoiler + So if lurkers are bad, and don't post after a few days... we lynch them. But that means that scum could just be posting semi-regularly and we'll kill ourselves. But if we don't lynch lurkers after a few days then we're letting non-contributors get by and scum could just as easily not contribute which is actually worse lol. The only real solution is just to have no lurkers >.< Regardless of whether or not we want to policy or not policy lynch or ignore them or whatever, being active is better for town, in my opinion. And in all likelihood, we will not reach a level of activeness that is "too" spammy in this game. On March 26 2013 08:06 Hapahauli wrote: This is a pretty bad idea to spread around this early. Our first concern should be making sure that everyone's active, and not trying to warn people against activity. If things get too spammy, that's a luxury that we can deal with when the time comes. And hell I like 150 page Day 1's. It puts pressure on both scum and town to do additional work, and I'm pretty confident in getting a good lynch under those circumstances. From RED Team's Prize - I can't say much for 150 page day 1s -.- but posting a lot is good, not bad. (I just happened to remember this post ^^) | ||
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If scum are blatantly taking charge and leading the town directly into bad decision making, that should be a signpost to us that town isn't being led very well =P Also, my expectation is more in line that if we all play actively and intelligently, the scum's pointing at townies and calling them mafia will look... dumb and out of place >.>; If everyone in town has a townread on everyone else in town, what can scum do? Also, good night since you're apparently taking off ^^ I'm going to take off as well - I want to go get some dinner, and then going to go to bed unless somebody directs a question at me - I'll check the thread after eating but unless something really sticks out I am just gonna go to sleep lol. JarJar, Warent, come join us :0 Smancer, Ravens, nobody - share your thoughts when you have time to read and respond ^^ Anybody look good or bad? See you all tomorrow unless you have a specific question for me when I get back.~ | ||
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I don't really like Warent's vote on Rainbows. Honestly, I sort of dismissed the early votes because they didn't mean much to me - it felt like it was too early for serious votes [even including Rainbows specifically saying his vote, at one point, was serious] - it did, however, make me feel that Rainbows was more likely to be townish than not (at that point in time). Most of the votes seem tentative - in a "Well, for now, he's a reasonable choice" way. If I had to pick a scumread, at the moment, it would be Warent for his vote and justification - things may change, though. I haven't really had the focus to read the thread in depth, rather than just looking at the surface. + Show Spoiler + Was slightly manic yesterday so my posting was sort of... unfocused and spammish - -; Apologies apologies etc etc. jrkirby - Hopefully you're willing to expand on your possible scumread later today, assuming they post reasonably. ^^ (nobodywonder, I don't really get how you could actively think a person is noncommittal with the little posting that's happened - everyone seems sort of noncommittal, and voting feels more like testing the waters at this point.) I'm a little perplexed as to how JarJar was able to walk in, vote, and walk out without anybody finding it worth mention. jkirby, what do you have to say about his comments? (I'll try to be on throughout the day, but I might not be back for a little while. Will answer any questions directed to me when I get back.) | ||
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I think smancer and jampi have been playing in a protown manner, and Saraf's few posts have seemed townie, but he really needs more of them :l (Posts, that is!) I haven't looked at Rainbows' filter carefully yet, but my initial thought on him lined up with smancer's comment - not a good lynch today, atm. (maybe that'll change once I read his filter - will comment if it does lol.) I don't think his vote on Saraf makes an enormous amount of sense, because reading from the beginning, Saraf's first post feels like it in no way attempts to call out Rainbows, and rain took it as a soft-accusation. In that light, Warent, the reason that I didn't like your vote and justification is because it felt like Rainbows was solidly somebody to not worry about today, and you came in late enough that the initial salvo of joke votes, random votes, thread-starters had already occurred. When you came in, Rainbows was the vote leader (somehow -_-; ), and it looked to me like you were jumping in and making a case on an active player who had votes, I disliked that thread entrance quite a bit. (Specifically, the line "And I'm not alone" sort of caught me. Why does it matter, as an opening post? If there was a wagon forming after much discussion - sure. I like the power of numbers and agreement and stuff. But at that timing.... enhnhnnn) uh, other thoughts... no real read on jarjar, just tunneling kirby. I'll have to read kirby before I know if this is okay or not ^^ | ||
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I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about; Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post? On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote: Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him. Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy. You seem like you're trying to point out that Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect, but that Nobodywonder is just a newb and not scum, but _also_ that he should be looking towards Nobodywonder instead of Saraf, who you think is town? I don't like it :x Please post more hehe. - -; I'm not following your reasoning, and that's all you've got atm. (Continuing to read.) | ||
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Moloch is absent. He needs to post more, and I dislike his rainbows vote. It's been 16 hours though, maybe he'll show up and provide some insight, reads, or justification of something or other. Nullish I guess lol. I don't even know what to say to him because he's not here and I dislike his vote - different from Warent, because when Moloch disappeared, he had already discussed voting Rainbows before Warent even showed up- and then Warent shows up and votes Rainbows? *shrug.* I would like to see him post more. | ||
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