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virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 21 2013 10:23 GMT
#71
/in

fuck it, never have enough time to play mafia but now is as good as any. Plus flavour made me want in.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 21 2013 16:27 GMT
#80
On March 22 2013 00:17 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 21:20 Rainbows wrote:
Notice: Day 1 I most likely will not have a ton of time to play ( spring break begins soon however). This is before role pms go out so its confirmed not alignment indicative :p. I'll be posting as much as possible going into the 22/23rd but no guarentees with my availibility during the d1 timeframe.

Love you all.

This time when I tunnel your day 1 suspicious play.. you will die. Yay!


I heard people like to switch their lynch candidate from tunneled people to someone totally random in the last 30 minutes of every day, in the last 10 games played on TL.

No rly
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 08:56 GMT
#102
Morning,

Anyone who kills Hermione is going to hell.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 14:33 GMT
#123
On March 22 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didn't mean you, i meant the other players who posted after nobodywonder FoS'd you.

Don't you find it odd that people do not talk anything relevant to the game when there is stuff to talk about? I understand people's first posts usually say nothing (or very little) but when there is something to talk about (in this case three votes and a FoS and at least one post i found interesting and worth questioning) there is no excuse to continue with posting something that does not help you find mafia.



I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game.

Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated.

Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP.

On March 22 2013 22:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK, now a post has stood out to me. This seems scummy:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 22:28 TheRavensName wrote:
I gotta agree that jarjars post and hostility might be a little suspicious... however I know I did something similar in the last nmm and ended up doing some pretty decent work so I see no reason to punish it till after other people show up. Day 1 is a scary and uncertain period for those unsure how to get the ball rolling.
Pointing out that I'm suspicious and hostile (am I being hostile?) to make sure everybody else is aware of it but then posting a weak defense for me.

Basically telling everyone: You should suspect jarjar, but I don't.


Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed.

As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and
concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine.

Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 15:19 GMT
#130
rayn:

Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour.

I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true (link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 15:48 GMT
#143
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 16:40 GMT
#151
On March 23 2013 00:53 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?


Holy crap you're scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Virtu


Cute. Your tone so far has been confident bordering on arrogant. Traits commonly found in a new player that thinks he's invincible when he gets Godfather handed to him and doesn't know what to do with it.

On March 23 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2013 00:19 virtu wrote:
rayn:

Not really repeating anything people have said, and if it was obvious then you wouldn't have been the one telling people to comment on the votes that have been made instead of saying hi and commenting on flavour.

I dislike his post in it's entirety, but I'm not reading too much into it for now. What he's said in his defence is true (link) Omni does indeed step in and defend him here, for a very similar post and mistake. Passing this off as a townie mistake for now.


The thing is. Look at what has happened. There are two people voting for me atm. For what? For me trying to figure out stuff. I like to vote, my vote will always be on a person i find out to be scummiest at the moment. I presented my case for people to discuss it and i am sticking with it until it's proven i am wrong or we find someone who is more scummy.

I understand this might be a townie mistake, i just don't think it is. And using "what someone else did in some other game" isn't really a defence that convinces me. If Raven actually starts scumhunting, contributing and making observations that make sense i'm willing to reconsider my vote. If he is in fact town the best defence is to start finding mafia.

Show nested quote +
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?


Early on it's effective to question people as much as possible. We get discussion and everyone needs to participate. I am not "switching my focus", voting for someone you think is mafia tells that you actually think they are mafia and you are not just being wishy-washy. I never really thought JarJar was mafia. Note that i voted him earlier than he posted. My vote being on him had nothing to do with what he said later. I just didn't bother to change my vote because voting for someone also pressures them to do things. Which JarJar then did. It's that simple.

------

Another note. There is no point in going after lurkers now. They will post later, if they don't, we lynch them. Period. Note that TheRavensName also noticed this, but a part of his case against me is me "Why did he drop Jar to focus on me instead of calling out more people who were lurking". I don't even know what to say..

So i am being voted for being aggressive (does aggressive = scum?), for trying to promote discussion and getting the discussion started and for voting for a person i think is mafia (with a case that noone has proven to be wrong). I don't care to defend myself because it's so silly.

And yes, Frorgron's post is another thing that bothers me at the moment. I even asked him about it and i am expecting an answer when he comes back.


I agree with you. I don't understand the votes on you to be perfectly honest, and through my comment I just wanted to see your reaction, which i'm happy with for now. I too would like to see raven stop purely defending himself in every reply, but part of the problem right now is there aren't enough people actively posting.

It is too early to go after lurkers but not too early to notice they aren't really posting, which they should start doing asap. Outside opinions on the back and forth between you and raven, and rainbow's colourful (pun intended) contributions would be nice.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 17:50 GMT
#158
If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that.

Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies.

In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 17:59 GMT
#160
It's a nothing post.

Literally lists what has happened so far. This happened, then that happened.

Goes on to point a FoS on a complete lurker, easy move anyone can do. Lurkers are FoS for everyone.

Re-iterates a point a few others have made, even though you've explained your actions and that ship has sailed.

The last point is OK, especially the fact he highlights himself, but it's a VERY blendy post, and to say it's his thoughts so far there isn't much there.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 18:00 GMT
#161
EBWOP: It's a very blendy post overall
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 22 2013 19:40 GMT
#164
Out playing snooker, back in few hours, will post a bit before bed.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 25 2013 11:51 GMT
#265
I work in IT, got called in and I lost the entire of yesterday to a network crash which involved replacing main switches, had to make a temporary network out of old switches until the new ones arrived etc. I'm terribly tired today but I obviously have a lot of catching up and making up to do, especially since I also learned that whilst I've lurked and read a lot of Mafia on TL, I'm not terribly good at it myself.

Will be reading for a while, I'm also at work for the next 5 hours but I'll try and get some thoughts down, then when I get home I should have time to formulate some thoughts into posts before I fall into an abyss of sleep.

Also - I was roleblocked last night.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 28 2013 12:38 GMT
#449
##Vote: Rainbows

Not apologising for being hit by an unavoidable train of IRL/Work shit, when I joined the game I obviously had the time to play it out properly. will apologise for not even voting though, poor effort.

Btw lol kill rainbows Jesus, 100% scum.

virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 28 2013 12:41 GMT
#450
EBWOP: sounded colder than intended, obviously I'm not happy about the game being partially ruined by my absence, to the players and hosts.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 28 2013 22:03 GMT
#471
Just been informed that I someone forgot to inform me that I was roleblocked again last night, so yeah that's the second time.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 28 2013 22:36 GMT
#477
##Unvote
##Vote: JarJarDrinks

Nicely played Rainbows. I'm VT, and have been roleblocked twice this game, guess scum couldn't afford to kill me because I've been useless to town but were scared I was a blue. I was sure you were either Blue or Mafia by the end of D1 from your play.

virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 29 2013 00:03 GMT
#503
TRN, Rainbows' claim is far more belivable for 2 reasons, one being that his soft defense of you turned into a hard defense after his check of you, and secondly because he stopped tunneling me HARD when he checked me. If Rainbows is Scum he deserves the win, I think our best shot as Town is to side with him and stick it out.

Also i'd prefer to kill JarJar after that claim to be honest, It stinks of fakeclaim (no crumbs, doesn't specify his targets each night, doesn't aim the claim at rainbows but at TRN).

Also Also, I kinda think the reason scum left Rainbows alive is because of how hard he has tunneled me this game, I imagine scum thought it easy to jump on a Rainbows' fuelled wagon on me lategame to secure a victory (also the reason why they left me alive, that and why shoot someone who is useless to town).
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 29 2013 10:36 GMT
#530
Ugh. Just read through JarJar's Filter again, He's hinted a few times at least of a doc being in the game... After the D2 lynch he mentions multiple times that we need a "Hero medic", and that there could be 3 scum left even though we are 6 players because we might have a "heal/roleblock" (all before Rainbows claim).

But then again if he is a medic he's played a really shitty game because he deserves to die, SO many useless posts from a 3 page filter, one-two liners, wagon jumping and terrible "reads" (see - recycled cases and thrown together comments from other people).

Also comments on Rainbows use of his Cop checks, specifically on me, when half of his filter is spent trying to get me lynched on D2. Yes, it is true that Rainbows also went after me pretty hard, but the difference is you BOTH "used your roles" on me, and simply put a cop check after trying to get me killed makes so much more sense than tunneling me all day, sheeping off me onto nobody wonder, THEN TARGETING ME WITH YOUR MEDIC ABILITY?!?!?

I just can't believe your claim with actions like this, so my vote is staying on you.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 29 2013 13:18 GMT
#535
No I don't think it's possible both are true.

On March 27 2013 09:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
Vote Count!
Everyone is required to vote.




Nobodywonder (3): TheRavensName, Rainbows, Krafla JarJarDrinks
TheRavensName (2): Raynpelikoneet, NobodyWonder, Krafla
Krafla (1): JarJarDrinks
Virtu (0): JarJarDrinks, Krafla

Not Voting (1): Virtu

Currently, Nobodywonder is set to be lynched! 17 minutes until lynch (01:00 GMT (+00:00)). Let me know if my counting spell was off!


JarJar moved his vote to TRN here, meaning at some point during this day he's voted for every single other person that has had a vote, I can't bring myself to believe this is town play, voting for 4 different people when there aren't even 4 mafia?

Like i said earlier, if JarJar is town, not only will I eat my hat, he has my vote for second worst town play this game, second only to myself who hasn't even been around for 90% of it.
virtu
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom147 Posts
March 29 2013 13:35 GMT
#541
On March 29 2013 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay doctor vs roleblocker makes sense so virtu is probably telling the truth and Raven is Rainbow's scumbuddy.


Why does doctor vs roleblocker make sense? why doesn't cop + rb?
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