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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 22 2013 15:51 GMT
#73
I'm in my third mafia game right now, and I'm wondering if I can /in this one. My first mafia game was Newbie Mini Mafia III, and took place almost exactly one year ago. I didn't play again until Newbie Mini Mafias XXXIV and XXXV. Can I /in, or should I just /obs?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 22 2013 15:58 GMT
#75
Then /in, thanks!
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 26 2013 02:32 GMT
#105
I never quite know what to say at the beginning of a game of mafia. So some things I've learned from my last two games are:

- Have a clear, consolidated vote on Day 1 so you can more easily pressure and read mafia participation
- Don't be lazy in your analysis, and take the effort to examine the people you're NOT certain are mafia, not just the ones you think you ARE certain about

I'm going to a coworker's wedding tomorrow evening and then Sundays I'm barely available at all. So my Day 1 participation is not going to be great, all told; apologies in advance. Hopefully I'll be able to participate enough, and productively enough, to persuade I'm pro-town. It's typical of my meta that I start off slow for the first day or so and then pick up once the data starts rolling in.

I don't find anything wrong with warbaby's post. I personally really dislike needless aggression, and I think that hurts the town environment far too often.

"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 26 2013 13:38 GMT
#115
Eh, I don't think his post is that big of a deal -- perhaps after seeing how he behaves the rest of the day, the post will mean something.

How do you feel about LAL, Acid?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 27 2013 12:17 GMT
#146
I'm surprised everyone's forgotten about how little I'm contributing!

Warbaby, Mocsta did claim town when he said something like, "How do you think I can contribute so much and so freely? Because I'm town and have nothing to hide." That was Day 1, BTW.

Don't "shut up for a while." That's not town-motivated. Think about who else you'd like to pressure. If you shut up every time somebody criticizes you for pressuring them, that's not going to go super well.

Yes, SkaPunk, Acid is "mad" already. Last game I assumed that meant he was scum, because his first posts were blazing guns posts, but I think he just likes to throw his weight around to see how others respond. (He was town btw.) But metas don't necessarily mean everything so feel free to keep looking for scumminess there; I don't see it yet.

Corazon, I very much think we should vote for a lurker Day 1. There's little reason to vote for an active player, IMO, on such a small amount of data. My reads are all very close to null at this point on everyone.

As I mentioned earlier, Sundays are by far my busiest days. I will check in on the thread here and there, but I feel like I need to put a vote down now in case I can't. So I am going to LAL today, and pick the one with the most lurker name:

##Vote: AFKing

Should he contribute by the time I next check back in, I'll re-evaluate.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 27 2013 23:05 GMT
#160
I think that it's out of character for Corazon to be speculating so severely as to the hypothetical spread of mafia among lurkers and the possibilities of replacements. And to knowingly break rules and ask for mods to tell him he's breaking a rule instead of just looking it up when he's unsure if he's breaking the rule or not.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 00:20 GMT
#163
Someone being obviously scummy Day 1 in a newbie game and yet still being scummy is not unheard of; in my last two newbie games, the two most scummy lurkers were scum all along, but we jumped off of them both times because we were sure they couldn't be THAT scummy on purpose.

Just saying.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 16:32 GMT
#188
On January 27 2013 05:52 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 04:17 Slayalot wrote:
I'm not saying that makes you a scum, but I don't think it's wise to make people afraid to post.


I don't think Warbaby has done that. It take a lot of work to create an environment where people are afraid to post. Attacking one person does not create such an environment. What happened with Acid is just friendly sparring on D1.


On January 27 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
Btw, I'm also noting how you guys haven't payed attention to anyone else's posts and are only focusing on your little "who has a larger penis" competition.


On January 28 2013 11:18 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2013 10:59 warbaby wrote:
I pressured him because I felt that he was trying to discourage scumhunting (with the statement that scumhunting D1 is "rich"). I'm a little disappointed nobody else commented on this. I don't think he's addressed all of my concerns, but he does at least claim to not be discouraging scumhunting, and backed off trying to frame me as Mocsta in XXXV (for now at least).


I wouldn't have a problem with you pressuring him, but the fact that he (Acid~) disagreed with you and then you just went berserk on him over that one point.


Corazon has shifted dramatically from calling the Warbaby/acid interaction "friendly sparring" to a "who has a larger penis competition" and "you just went berserk on him." Inconsistency in his opinions.

His others posts are pretty fluffy. First game post is about avoiding confirmation bias and how we should use FoS instead of voting if we're just trying to pressure someone (unsure why), telling us not to rely too much on old metas, more on metas, condemning the 3 lurkers, voting for the only lurker nobody else has voted for, Mocsta as a potential replacement, the 1/3 chance of getting someone via LAL (which he later refers to as us having had ZERO chance; another inconsistency), talking about warbaby's pressure on acid, which he condemns but also talks about how defensive acid was...

I don't know, I don't see clear direction in his analysis/play. Acid's meta, in my experience, has been a little abrasive, and Cora knows that because he modded that game I played with Acid. I find it odd for him to call Acid out on being emotional during N1 when during D1 he ignored it as friendly sparring.

His reason for voting for SkaPunk doesn't seem very good:
On January 28 2013 09:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
A scum would be more likely to post and then take advantage of 2 other people not posting to fly under the radar than they would be to not post anything at all.


Wouldn't scum more likely take advantage of that scenario by just posting MORE? If he can distance himself more than just a single post, especially with people beginning to vote on him, he would have done it, I think. Not necessarily scummy, but bad logic.

We have a lot of inactive players who need to be pressured and need to contribute, but in such an inactive thread, the person who seems scummiest to me right now is Corazon.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 16:35 GMT
#189
Sno, I don't know that being wrong about the setup numbers is necessarily a scum read. Spag did crap like that all the time in XXXIV, and he was cop.

More scummy, to me, is his hypothetical replacement talk with all these Q's to the mods he could've found out easily from reading the OP. It read a lot as angsty fluff to me.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 17:18 GMT
#198
I think that's a valid point. If Sno knew abenson as glurio, there was absolutely no town motivation for letting everyone else believe that he was one of the three lurkers (which at least Corazon had pointed him out as a lurker earlier on).

HOWEVER, in his vote post, he only describes the other two lurkers as lurkers, so it's easy to see how he'd already calculated Abenson out, I suppose.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 17:24 GMT
#200
@glurio: I suppose there is a certain gesture to making sure that there's a vote on all three of the lurkers, so Cora voting for abenson instead of one of the other two lurkers doesn't seem particularly scummy.

But now that I re-read your question, you're actually asking me about warbaby. Now that I look at it, his vote-switching was REALLY odd. He started the wagon on Skapunk, then ditched it for Abenson, and when he realized Abenson wasn't a real vote, he switched to AFKing. Now that Skapunk's flipped town, his vote-switching could be seen as scum motivated to avoid credit for the mislynch.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 17:52 GMT
#205
Sn0, I asked for consolidation early in the day, before any votes were out. I was the first person to vote on anyone, so it's not as if I was dodging Skapunk, and was basically AFK for the rest of the day, save the two small comments I made.

Warbaby's jump is justified by the fact that scum would want to bus Skapunk, and therefore anyone NOT voting for Skapunk cannot be mafia, and therefore Warbaby should vote with Cora or Zarepath. But then in the end, he still ends up voting for Skapunk??? I think Sn0's right that day 1 pretty much sucked for providing analysis material, but this is the most significant vote behavior we have to look at right now, and it's worth examining.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 20:51 GMT
#215
So snoman, if you see Warbaby played exactly like Mocsta did last time, but not as well, that means he's your number one scum read, right?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 21:09 GMT
#219
I think it's also important to distinguish "trying to run town" with "behaving exactly like Mocsta literally, Hitler." (Exaggerated to make a point.) I've certainly gotten a Mocsta vibe but it's important to separate Alpha Town personality from Very Active Scum behavior.

Heading out soon for the night, look forward to seeing night actions and what people's wills are. I'll try to post a will-ish thing before deadline but no promises.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 28 2013 23:18 GMT
#225
Why would town talk about how awful they are
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 29 2013 00:49 GMT
#229
Not ridiculous at all. Would you rather that a lurkers first post were fluff or hard analysis?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 29 2013 02:29 GMT
#241
Warbaby, you are not playing for town right now. OMGUSing is awful, refusing to answer questions is awful, criticizing people for making analytic posts is awful. Address content not people.

And what the heck is this about criticizing someone for throwing around their vote too early D2, and therefore, you immediately vote for them? You have hardly any consistency in your stances or opinions.

If you truly suspected Acid to be scum, you would encourage him to post more and welcome his analysis so you could scour it for evidence, not lash out at him while refusing to defend yourself in any way. Town can be confident in their defense; it costs little to make because you don't have to lie.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 29 2013 03:38 GMT
#250
He said he has analysis on others forthcoming -- at least, that's the assumption I got based off the fact that he started with you first and is going down the line.

I am not going to get into this anymore. I will ignore everything you say about Acid now so you'd better start analyzing elsewhere.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 29 2013 11:15 GMT
#277
On January 29 2013 15:30 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 14:09 cDgCorazon wrote:By voting, you are saying you want to lynch him today. Saying it 10 minutes into D2 is throwing in the towel.


OK, fine. I can't come up with any reason you're wrong about this. I don't currently think Zare is scum, and he's telling me to do this as well.


Noted....

I'll be looking through filters today between tasks at work, everybody's filter but warbaby for now. We are very focused on him right now as a town (not necessarily undeservedly) and I worry that too many are getting by without contributing because of that.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
January 29 2013 16:57 GMT
#281
Does signing up for a game you don't necessarily have the time to play a scum tell, Warbaby?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
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