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So... my stance on lurkers is fairly similar to my other two games. I don't think we should actively try to push for their lynches D1, but if I don't have a solid scum read I have no problem getting rid of a lurker. Scum will be scum, try to fake contributions, post a lot of fluff ect. Possibly try to derail conversations. I'll be more active in the morning, I'm going to sleep for now. cya guys I'm excited to get this started. | ||
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Anyway just to touch on what has happened so far, I agree with Oats opinion on the lurkers, not on how Mocsta asked the question. If anybody really said yes/no to that question they would be pressured for it, possibly used as a reason to be voted on later in D1. It would be a silly thing for town to do, almost as silly as not answering the questions. I think having people explain the reasoning behind their votes is fantastic but I don't think it goes far enough, I believe we should go through each others cases and not only agree/disagree but see if we can prove the case right or wrong ourselves while waiting for the defense of the person being accused. (it is important to wait for them to defend themselves first, otherwise we give them an escape with no effort on their part) I know this is done to some degree each time a case is made but in both of my last games we've made the mistake of lynching townies due to their arguments not standing up to one persons case. I'm hoping we can avoid that if everybody weighs in with not only their own case but their thoughts on the other cases as well. It's a lot of extra effort but I believe it's a good way to discuss scum reads with each other and keep conversation strongly focused on scum hunting. I've got an event going on in roughly 4~ hours and I'll be busy for most of the night (cleaning up the house for it right now) so I'll periodically check in and hopefully be able to make some cases by the end of the night. Also if we could have Mandalor, Shz, Acid, Glurio, and Bringaniga answer at least one of the questions asked it would be nice. Let us know you are alive guys | ||
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Mocsta has made his town meta fairly clear. He hasn't really deviated from it in his first few posts and nothing he has said moves me to believe he is town OR scum. I think you are reading with some pretty thick goggles already Oats. Reading through some of your other games, it isn't very characteristic right off the starting blocks. I can see it as scum attempting to derail the conversation as we were coming up with some good idea's and creating a friendly atmosphere, which as you have said you hate so much! Where is your town motivation for that? The hypocrisy in what you've accused Mocsta of and what you have done so far is amazing. I don't think this is enough for me to vote on but in your own words shape up or die. @Shz On the other side of things, as much as some of his posts annoy me and I agree he hasn't contributed much of anything, I believe I can see a town mindset behind what he has been saying. It's very clouded though and I can probably attribute that to his posting style. He starts off trying to get people to post (null) It's good for town but not very hard to do early on in the game. Or at any point really. He also tries to say that he thinks both Mocsta and Oats are town (I think) and that they are just butting heads because they have posted the most and it's easiest to make cases this early on people who have posted. It's very hard to get a read on nothing. So although I wouldn't mind seeing him try to explain himself like a normal person and answer some of the questions that have been addressed to him I can see a small townie vibe from what little I believe he has said. Anyway I just woke up, its 4am I'll be back after making some toast if anybody is around | ||
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On the other side we have Oats as an example who posts an average amount in both roles. However his play style (now that I've read through his filter for XXXII) changes a little. Experience changes everything though but there are some similarities between his XXXII game and what he has done this time, and very little in his other games that I read through. Again not enough for me to vote for him but it's not a good sign either. I'm hoping some of our lurkers can weigh in, and if Bringaniga doesn't come up with anything by the lynch deadline, my current thoughts of him will turn to scum pretending to be active and I'll be pushing for his lynching over the current Oats for sure. | ||
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QUOTE]On January 13 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote: On January 12 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote: Hi All. From other games, it seems the best 3 questions to ask are: 1) Stance on Lurkers: i.e. Do you policy lynch? 2) How do you think scum would try to get influence with us? 3) [fluff] DONT BUY A POOL. I wasted all my time today with pools and hate it ! I won't be around for the next 6 to 8 hrs (DAMN POOL!) Question 1. How does a yes/no question start discussion? Thats right, it doesnt. [/QUOTE] Keep in mind he asked other questions as well, and if anybody actually answered only yes/no they would be an idiot. The fact that you even think anybody would do that and not get follow up questions is extremely amusing. On January 13 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey Mocsta, what was the point of your opening questions? Do you think you achieved your goal? On January 13 2013 08:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, do you have any reads so far? You leave both of those open to 1 word answers. Just in case you don't know... Hypocrisy: Noun The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform And then we have "2. I really dont want to answer that. Because I dont think my answer will help town in any way. " And "Come on, show how me and sno-man are not stimulating conversation?" That's a hard one... not answering questions and getting so defensive to the point of making a terrible case and voting on somebody because of it. I think that's pretty detrimental to town. I'm not saying Mocsta is playing without fault, your case makes decent points about what he should be improving on in terms of better explaining himself. Turning around and calling him scum for everything he's posted though without any real facts but CLAIMING they are without a doubt scummy and should get him lynched is wayyyyyy over the top. | ||
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Do I have scum reads? not really. There isn't enough information on anybody to label them as scum. There are scummier players at the moment, I'd say Bringaniga would be #1 for me right now until he makes a post that says something useful. I'm not sure why you tunnel Mocsta so hard with 9 other players who you should also think could be scum and you have no information on. Instead you focus on somebody who has been active, playing his previous town meta, and has been trying to promote activity while defending himself from you. | ||
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For example I'm curious about how people find Bringaniga's posting. @Everyone Would you be willing to lynch him based on his current posting and why? I personally am against lynching Bringaniga right now. I feel that he has a town mindset behind his actions, and although it is annoying it is not very scummy yet. | ||
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I believe we can use today to get some answers from the EU guys. Shz, Mandalor, Glurio ect. should give us their input. Zarepath should also be around. It wasn't the best 24 hours we could hope for but I'm trying to work a few things out with the limited information. I'll try to have one good case about 5~ hours before the deadline. Two if it's needed. It sucks to have to hope people will respond but most of them have given reasons for their inactivity during the weekend. Now is their chance to prove they want to help town and come in with some fresh thoughts. | ||
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On January 13 2013 20:21 zebezt wrote: Oops Got a bit carried away with my newly discovered filter skills I did the exact same thing last game, or in my first... maybe both. It happens You make an interesting point on Sn0 regardless. I think he's just acting as a paranoid townie though, which I am not implying is a bad thing I believe you should assume everybody is scum and have them prove themselves as town first. His activity level is low however but I'm not sure if I'd put him as #1 scum suspect at the moment. | ||
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