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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 09 2012 01:11 GMT
#27
/in
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 09 2012 07:50 GMT
#43
On December 09 2012 11:34 DarthPunk wrote:
kewl. Scum team best team.

Is that supposed to be a dig at my play or...?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
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Last Edited: 2012-12-09 22:45:54
December 09 2012 22:42 GMT
#51
Yes. If you lurk I will lynch you.

Edit: sorry my mistake
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 11 2012 06:54 GMT
#72
/out

I don't think another newbie game is going to help me at this point.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 11 2012 09:02 GMT
#74
Are you going to be an active participant? Can you vouch for the rest of the player list to be active participants? If the answer to either of those questions is no, you have your answer.

At least in a real game with experienced players I can already know who to avoid. With these it is a crap shoot.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 17 2012 10:11 GMT
#211
I was really pissed when Aqua died. Legit mad at the game. Made no sense to me.

Good luck you guys. I hope you enjoy this game.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 24 2012 07:07 GMT
#1014
I'll be at work for the next five to six hours.so expect something from me in approximately eight to nine.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 24 2012 14:45 GMT
#1028
Okay so I haven't exactly gone through every inch of people's filters yet but at the moment I think I have one fairly excellent scum read.

Kickstart is not like this as town. As town in NMM XXXII he was in-your-face and had good reads. This game he's voted Spag and Shz, someone I do not have a current scum read on. Day one I would have expected town kick to oppose that lynch because it wasn't a good lynch but instead he sheeps along like he's some newbie the rest of you keep saying you are. Only he's not. And then day 2 his best scum read is shz? That just smells like mafia attempting to look like they're scum hunting. I mean seriously, shz is not that scummy. Kick start knows better and him pushing this shit is totally unacceptable. He is my lynch day 3 no question.

The next person to look at would be Orange. This dude has basically admitted to doing nothing this game. A lot of you have talked about being noobs and feeling unsure but he's just straight up admitting to having zero original scum reads. This excuse does not fly in mafia. Justifying being useless by saying that your suspicions are all covered by other people is not good enough. Stop being useless and making excuses for it. Find scum.

These are just two initial reads on lurkers. I'm working my way up the larger filters as I go.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 24 2012 14:58 GMT
#1029
Actually the kick read is enough to go on right now. Let's kill him.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 24 2012 15:33 GMT
#1031
On December 25 2012 00:03 Chromatically wrote:
I have to disagree with your reasoning on Kickstart. He's not this lurky as town, yes, but he's also not this lurky as scum. His lurkiness doesn't tell us anything.
You have the benefit of hindsight looking at Spag's lynch. The case made on him was good, a lot of people sheeped it. I also disagree with you on shz; he is playing scummy right now. Just because you have different reads from Kick doesn't make him scum.

I'm not opposed to lynching him like any other lurker, but I don't think a strong scum read is justified.

Shz should not be your strongest scum read.

My read on kick is a lot of meta. He is playing the complete opposite of his last game. He looks more like the kick from NMM XXXI where he was scum with you. He lurked a lot and made easy to justify scum reads on people already under suspicion. He kept out of the spotlight as much as possible. His town meta is aggressive and accusatory. He is like me. Paranoid and suspicious. This is not the same kick. Not to mention him being a lurker.

Believe me, this is not a lurker lynch. We get some red blood when kick's head rolls.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 24 2012 21:14 GMT
#1036
On December 25 2012 00:47 Chromatically wrote:
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On December 25 2012 00:33 yamato77 wrote:
On December 25 2012 00:03 Chromatically wrote:
I have to disagree with your reasoning on Kickstart. He's not this lurky as town, yes, but he's also not this lurky as scum. His lurkiness doesn't tell us anything.
You have the benefit of hindsight looking at Spag's lynch. The case made on him was good, a lot of people sheeped it. I also disagree with you on shz; he is playing scummy right now. Just because you have different reads from Kick doesn't make him scum.

I'm not opposed to lynching him like any other lurker, but I don't think a strong scum read is justified.

Shz should not be your strongest scum read.

My read on kick is a lot of meta. He is playing the complete opposite of his last game. He looks more like the kick from NMM XXXI where he was scum with you. He lurked a lot and made easy to justify scum reads on people already under suspicion. He kept out of the spotlight as much as possible. His town meta is aggressive and accusatory. He is like me. Paranoid and suspicious. This is not the same kick. Not to mention him being a lurker.

Believe me, this is not a lurker lynch. We get some red blood when kick's head rolls.

In XXXI, he wasn't lurking nearly to the extent of this game, though. (In fact, 7 pg filter in XXXI vs 10pg filter in XXXII vs 2 pg filter here). I'm inclined to believe that he has real life issues involved. It's possible that he's just trying to change his scum meta, but I doubt he would have posted "DON'T LURK LURKING BAD" if he was planning on lurking. On aggressiveness, he was very aggressive in XXXI as well. I think that this game is just very different from both of his metas overall and that we can't discern much from it.

Why do you disagree on shz?

Shz sheer amount of effort he has put into the game so far excludes him from my initial scum reads. No scum is going to go through all the trouble to make a list post with all that useful connection information compiled. Especially not a newbie scum. I think at least two scum are lurking and the two I picked out seem like good candidates. I think kick is the better shot at flipping scum but if you guys can consolidate on Orange he's perfectly acceptable.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 25 2012 00:46 GMT
#1038
To be honest I need more time to make better reads but at the moment Kickstart is a really good lead. I'm going to make a comprehensive case.

I'm not so sure about Orange anymore. A lot of people have pulled the noob sheep card this game and not all of them can be scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 25 2012 11:05 GMT
#1039
I would say that effort in this particular game can be a town tell. The two lynches thus far have been townie-led bandwagons with minimal scum interference. Scum have had to do nothing to secure mislynches because town has killed each other all on their own. There for, when I think about scum I think about people with small filters and almost no strong opinions, because town lynched a player in opposition to their consensus day 1.

So people who fit this bill right now are Kick, who is far more outspoken than his current filter reads when he is town, and Orange. Neither one is putting forth their own ideas on basically anything that actually matters. Shz to an extent fits this model of scum this game as well but his filter is larger, which is a point in his favor.

Fat Chunk has a small filter but it is full of his own thoughts about the game. He is putting in some serious quality, which is just as good as the quantity of some if the townier players.

At this point I don't think town should be lynching Chromatically for his tunnel of OE. It is an easy mistake to make to catch on to something you think might be scummy and then fit everything someone does into this model, and upon examination of Chroma's posting in reference to Omni, I find the confirmation bias strong with this one.

Aqua and cakepie are also the obviously town reads. I should quickly become another which gives us four strong townies to lead town to victory from here. I would say our lynches need to focus on Kick, Orange, and then Shz. If vig exists, you should take your shot at one of these players, preferably Orange or Kick.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 25 2012 23:36 GMT
#1043
I'm lurking.

Do you have any thoughts about what I have said so far?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 26 2012 00:05 GMT
#1050
REALLY
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 31 2012 07:48 GMT
#1553
Yay town won.

I tangentially followed this game after I died. I would not have guessed FC scum. Cora, though, I might have been able to catch.

GG guys.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 31 2012 08:19 GMT
#1555
No it was good play on your part. I was definitely a good target at that point. I had strong town reads on the right players and people were listening to me when I pushed kick really hard. I'm not mad at all.

Your scum play is really good, Cora. I ignored you in my initial reads of filters and only after I died did I realize you were probably scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 31 2012 08:32 GMT
#1557
yeah your vote post gave you away to me there. I tried to make an analysis video of the votes on OE and yours I was going to put as scum but for some reason the recordings never saved and I completely forgot about it.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 24 2013 05:57 GMT
#1586
Cakepie, you were excellent as town, don't talk yourself down.

So were you, Aqua.

Honestly, when I replaced into the game I immediately wrote you guys off as possible mafias. Chrom was a more difficult decision but I saw how emotionally involved he was, despite being dead wrong about Omni.

Corazon played a really good mafia game after day 1. That being said, his day 1 was atrocious and you guys should have lynched him for it. After day 1, however, I believe he was still able to be caught because of how he played around the OE lynch.

On December 24 2012 01:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
Right now, I am still suspicious of Shz and Orangeremi. However, I feel like their defenses to my accusations have been decent enough to buy them some more time, at least one more night. I do feel like Omni is suspicious as well, claiming VT, calling me and Spag 100% scum (Spag flipped town, not 100% scum eh), and Mocsta's thread. He also started backtracking the moment Spag flipped town (trying to apologize to me and pretend like he made a mistake). While these could all be seen as scummy actions, I believe that there is not enough there to turn me either way.

Right now, I am going to vote for a no-lynch, as my mind is not made up on who we should lynch. We have about 5.5 hours left in the day, so anything could happen.

##Vote:No-lynch

If anyone has a problem with this, let me know.


On December 24 2012 01:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
I know, it is a terrible option.

In all honesty, I have a lot of suspicion of Omni, but I feel like any more cases against him would just be overkill, but I don't want to bandwagon either.


On December 24 2012 02:49 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On December 20 2012 09:29 OmniEulogy wrote:

##Vote: cDgCorazon He slipped up so badly I can't believe it was a mistake. He actually claimed mafia after an already terrible start while being defensive and being overly cautious of most of his posts. I think Theesr's constant back and forth with him made him slip up.



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On December 20 2012 09:29 OmniEulogy wrote:
Either way we as town get an extremely large amount of information if we lynch Corazon at the moment. Unless proven otherwise Corazon's slips have made him 100% scum in my mind.


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On December 20 2012 21:51 OmniEulogy wrote:
#Unvote
##Vote: Spaghetticus
##FoS: cDgCorazon

Congrats Corazon. I still think you are scum but I'm going to hunt your buddies for the rest of the day.



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On December 20 2012 22:41 OmniEulogy wrote:
I was ready to tunnel Corazon until your horrid defense to Aqua's case. 100% believe he is scum. Doesn't mean I'm not going to look for other scum though.


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On December 21 2012 19:48 OmniEulogy wrote:
Alright, so to get more conversation going I'm going to go over pretty much everything I believe we've learned from D1.

Reads

I'll start off with Corazon. After re-reading everything he's said a few times I believe I owe him an apology. As he defended Spag while the vote was on him I'm willing to say I believe he is town. He stuck with his vote on Theesr the entire time. I am willing to overlook every mistake up to this point in his posting and trust that what ever he says from now on is from the mouth of a townie.

TL:DR sorry Cora, I believe you are town along with Mocsta, Aqua, Chrom, and maybe shz/fc


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On December 21 2012 19:48 OmniEulogy wrote:
Again I owe an apology to Corazon as I believe he might be right in thinking Theesr is Scum or possible SK.


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On December 22 2012 22:40 OmniEulogy wrote:
4) Corazon did not get on this wagon at any point - made cases for why we should NOT lynch Spag but instead Threesr. - points to his innocence. quite loudly.


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On December 24 2012 02:11 OmniEulogy wrote:
Cora I really hope you are scum, your posting is still terrible and your misinformation and lack of knowledge for your facts is amazing. First you call shz out on something about you when he wasn't referring to you and nowhere did I say I had a 100% read on spag. The fact he turned town is the only reason you became clear but my god everything you post sounds scummy. Please read posts more carefully. Please.


Which one is it? Am I scum or town?

Let us take a look the big things you have done so far:
-Made a case to lynch me while I was on the chopping block
-Made a case to lynch Spag when he was on the chopping block
-Claimed VT
-Backtracked about your feelings on me once your suspicions on Spag were proven wrong
-Defended yourself from multiple attacks
-Tried to pressure Threesr (an easy lynch target) right when people started to jump off of your case
-Backtracked your backtrack about your feelings on me

Your play has been the most inconsistent by far. You're the only one to have claimed a role, which in all honesty your claim holds no weight because anyone could come out and say they are this role and that role. All the cases you have made are just supporting the original cases on someone. You have come up with no new cases by yourself. You have been bandwagoning and choosing multiple targets and easy lynches when you have been put under pressure.

Why would you want to do this? It looks like you are contributing to the town, but it also looks like you are trying to make it so that if you lynch a townie, you won't get completely blamed for it. The only reason you took so much heat for Spag was that Aqua (original case against Spag) defended himself very well and very quickly.

Your push for Threesr to defend himself is also a scummy move. With the pressure right off of you, trying to direct the town away from the right lynch and making things chaotic is the perfect town atmosphere for you to slip out of the hot seat, and for scum to thrive.

Attacking someone with OMGUS just because they are leaning towards voting you is not a smart thing to do at all. You just seem to be too erratic in your behavior and views to possibly be someone that is town, or that the town wants to keep.

##unvote
##Vote: OmniEulogy


Those three successive posts are really telling. First he gives his suspicions on three different players, and then votes none of them. That is textbook mafia mentality, not caring at all who gets lynched, especially when it is between two town players as Shz/OE were. He then goes on to say he has "a lot of suspicion of" Omni only to not vote him because he "doesn't want to bandwagon". What town player thinks this way? "Oh, I totes think he's scum, but I'm not going to put my vote on him because I don't want to bandwagon." Complete mafia mentality.

And finally, he decides to vote for OE, but only after OE realizes Cora is probably mafia for how he's playing. He attacks OE for his "inconsistent" read and his "OMGUS" of Corazon, when in reality this is the type of OMGUS that is actually alignment indicative. When someone has expressed unwillingness to lynch another player, and then makes it POSITIVELY clear that their motivation for voting that other player is because of that player's newly minted mafia read on them, they are doing so in reactionary fear.

Look at the final 4 OE posts that Cora quoted. What's his read of Cora? Town. town, town, MAFIA. Cora was thinking, "Okay, that's fine, he has a town read on me, good, I'll just call him suspicious and push other people" and then "HE KNOWS! KILL IT WITH FIRE!"

Plus, all of the posts he quoted were focusing on OE's reads on Cora, which shows that Cora was especially concerned with this matter, which is indicative of a mafia player because mafia want to be aware of how townies perceive them. A townie wouldn't give half a shit what their mafia read thinks about them, but Cora does.

But anyway, that's just some of my thoughts that I managed to forget to post before I got NK'd.
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