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Veloh15
United States161 Posts
Clementine By Velo Published On NA HoTS Server Overview 45 Degree Aesthetics [spoiler] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iLtCZ.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PGQmm.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oKihk.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7x9NU.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jtqXv.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1bdYr.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sO810.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jKYiF.jpg) Thanks for taking a look I felt that this didn't really make it from my conceptual idea, but I did get some cool aesthetics so I thought I'd post it anyways  ! | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
-I don't see the rock towers doing too much, seeing as they're on corner paths, and they don't even block them off. -I'd consider changing up the XNT layout, as demonstrated with this picture: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Iqw9A.jpg) Since there's just 1 main path through the center, having XNT's that watch the outer paths may work pretty well. -Your mineral lines look weird, try looking at some other community maps, or at Blizzard's maps, doing so will help you give your mineral lines a more natural, polished look. | ||
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
I agree with NewSunshine's suggestions. Watchtowers on the side seem like a good idea. | ||
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Manrik-
Sweden1 Post
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On December 09 2012 10:34 Gfire wrote: Actually I wouldn't mind having no watchtowers on this map at all. That might be better than any of the locations you could put them. I'd like it if this would happen to every map tbh. | ||
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Veloh15
United States161 Posts
 . Still if there are some general issues with my map making in general please point them out! I plan to continue making maps, and of course get better  | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
 )+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OeqZP.jpg) This is a real issue, i really think you should take the advice that Sunshine give you, because having two watch towers overlap in this way THIS much is in general really bad for the game ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LeChJ.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6nkzH.jpg) Well i personally dislike the terrain (or doodads for that matter) hiding other parts of the map to the player since it can lead to cheese abussing the terrain, if you want to keep the position for the overlords you can put doodads (a small tower or something) surrounded by LoS blockers and pathing blockers, that way the ground units won't be able to see beyond the LoS blockers and therebefore won't be able to see if there's an overlord on top without air support ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z7jRA.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uVVEF.jpg) I don't think i have to explain what problems could carry keeping something like this in the map, i suggest you to at least place plathing blockers below the towers in both naturals, and i suggest you to place more pathing blockers or small doodads that block the path in the area that's "in the north" of the trees behind the tower in the north natural. IE the place where i hided the drones in the first picture, so the players can actually see what is on their natural. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qpMUy.jpg) This is what i mean when saying about the texturing in the cliffs i suggest you to try to spot these "places of blackness", so the theme of the map remains untouched by bugs. Your map is really likeable in the theme and in the way the map works, when i have more time i will play it more with my friends (this was more of a testing session), i really enjoy it (specially when i put my graphics higher ^^) | ||
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Veloh15
United States161 Posts
On December 11 2012 02:29 Uvantak wrote: Well i have played a little on the map, and i have found some things that i guess you may already know like the xel'nagas that give vision of each others, but there other issues with the map, like the rock columns in the natural where you can hide units and even buildings inside of them, and some things with the texturing and lack of doodads in some areas (in the braxis cliffswhere youcan see into the darkness below the map )+ Show Spoiler + This is a real issue, i really think you should take the advice that Sunshine give you, because having two watch towers overlap in this way THIS much is in general really bad for the game Well i personally dislike the terrain (or doodads for that matter) hiding other parts of the map to the player since it can lead to cheese abussing the terrain, if you want to keep the position for the overlords you can put doodads (a small tower or something) surrounded by LoS blockers and pathing blockers, that way the ground units won't be able to see beyond the LoS blockers and therebefore won't be able to see if there's an overlord on top without air support I don't think i have to explain what problems could carry keeping something like this in the map, i suggest you to at least place plathing blockers below the towers in both naturals, and i suggest you to place more pathing blockers or small doodads that block the path in the area that's "in the north" of the trees behind the tower in the north natural. IE the place where i hided the drones in the first picture, so the players can actually see what is on their natural. This is what i mean when saying about the texturing in the cliffs i suggest you to try to spot these "places of blackness", so the theme of the map remains untouched by bugs. Your map is really likeable in the theme and in the way the map works, when i have more time i will play it more with my friends (this was more of a testing session), i really enjoy it (specially when i put my graphics higher ^^) | ||
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Uvantak
Uruguay1381 Posts
On December 11 2012 04:45 Veloh15 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2012 02:29 Uvantak wrote: Well i have played a little on the map, and i have found some things that i guess you may already know like the xel'nagas that give vision of each others, but there other issues with the map, like the rock columns in the natural where you can hide units and even buildings inside of them, and some things with the texturing and lack of doodads in some areas (in the braxis cliffswhere youcan see into the darkness below the map )+ Show Spoiler + This is a real issue, i really think you should take the advice that Sunshine give you, because having two watch towers overlap in this way THIS much is in general really bad for the game Well i personally dislike the terrain (or doodads for that matter) hiding other parts of the map to the player since it can lead to cheese abussing the terrain, if you want to keep the position for the overlords you can put doodads (a small tower or something) surrounded by LoS blockers and pathing blockers, that way the ground units won't be able to see beyond the LoS blockers and therebefore won't be able to see if there's an overlord on top without air support I don't think i have to explain what problems could carry keeping something like this in the map, i suggest you to at least place plathing blockers below the towers in both naturals, and i suggest you to place more pathing blockers or small doodads that block the path in the area that's "in the north" of the trees behind the tower in the north natural. IE the place where i hided the drones in the first picture, so the players can actually see what is on their natural. This is what i mean when saying about the texturing in the cliffs i suggest you to try to spot these "places of blackness", so the theme of the map remains untouched by bugs. Your map is really likeable in the theme and in the way the map works, when i have more time i will play it more with my friends (this was more of a testing session), i really enjoy it (specially when i put my graphics higher ^^) Glad to have helped pal, as i say previously the map is really good (specially in the texturing choices [Dunno if that's the Zerus standard textures or other planet standard textures, but it looks really really good]) | ||
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Clawfinger
Canada221 Posts
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Millet
Sweden143 Posts
Proper mineral placement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381401 The problems that arise with your current mineral placement is: 1. Drops will become much harder to deal with. Especially for zerg. 2. Cannon rushes (at mainly the natural and high ground, half base third) will become very efficient. (2 pylons to block off the cannon zone behind the mineral line, and then 1 or more cannons in this zone.) 3. Mining efficiency is always at 100% with this placement, not allowing pros or zealous people to gain an edge (small though it may be), by microing your workers to the nearest mineral patch. If you uploaded your map somewhere I'd be able to give you map specific images to illustrate my complaints. You may be wondering what kind of cannon rushes I'm talking about, so I will upload a picture from Daybreak (which honestly is quite a stupid cannon position in both mains): + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://s8.postimage.org/87ce885h1/Daybreak_Cannon_position_main_base.jpg) (P.S. All assumptions here are based on your overview picture, since I neither have HotS, nor an NA account. So take everything with a grain of salt, and try my assumptions in-game first) | ||
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IveReturned
Turkey258 Posts
I just don't care about gameplay | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
I like this map a lot! Very nice layout, not too simple, not too complicated. Bases are not just for free. Aesthetics are very clean. Very good job considering I assume you are quite new to SC2 mapmaking?! 2 things I dislike: - two towers in middle; I'm generally not a great lover of towers but two towers in such close proximity seems a bit overkill for this middle - in general your space management regarding the map border is pretty bad; the corners have a lot of wasted airspace, as well as at the 3 and 9 o'clock position; I think this stuff is fixable and should be fixed if you want to take this map to the highest level Again gj and hope you will do some more stuff in the future | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
Personally I'm okay with the towers, I think more maps should use towers that can see each other, it's actually an interesting feature on some maps. It would be fine without towers as well. I have two things I would change:
Also as ragoo said the corner usage could be better, but eh. | ||
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