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United States33597 Posts
In response to an OSEN article that suggested the lack of KeSPA players at IPL5 was due to a boycott, KeSPA made an unusually detailed statement regarding their communications with IGN, and publicly revealed their policies regarding international tournament participation for KeSPA players.
Keypoints from KeSPA Statement – from PGR21.com
IPL never contacted KeSPA
IPL never contacted the KeSPA office regarding the invitation of KeSPA players through official or unofficial channels. On October 13th, a person claiming to be affiliated with IPL contacted the teams KT and SKT individually to inquire if specific players could be sent. The Association declined direct contact with the teams, and requested that they negotiate regarding participating and scheduling through a KeSPA channel. There was no response from IPL towards KeSPA afterward.
Participation standards regarding international and non-KeSPA tournaments
Through the KeSPA strategic committee, KeSPA teams are resolved to not send players to accept individual invitations to international tournaments without prior negotiation regarding scheduling, conditions, and support for the invited players. This is to protect the KeSPA hosted leagues such as the Starleague and Proleague, the players, and pro-game teams. We agreed that the automatic participation in IPL through the GSL would not be subject to these conditions [Note: this regards Innovation/Bogus]. KeSPA is presently negotiating with several international tournament organizers regarding the participation of players in their tournaments, and this information has been shared with Blizzard, with a way of cooperation being discussed.
KeSPA's position on issues regarding participation in other tournaments
There have been multiple instances such as IPL5 or the recent 2012 GSL Tour Grand Final [Note: GSL's year end event to which KeSPA player Rain has been invited] where KeSPA players have been given seeds and invited without prior agreement with KeSPA. We officially request that the organizations cooperate with KeSPA, and we will not recognize procedures where KeSPA players are unilaterally announced as participants in tournament through media announce and such.
TL;DR: All inquiries and negotiations regarding KeSPA player participation must be done through KeSPA, not the individual teams.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
So basically if you want kespa players, you need to talk to kespa first. Got it.
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This is fair from KeSPA because they do have the official channels to go through and IPL did not.
This IPL should still be really good though
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I don't think it's a good thing that everything has to be done through KeSPA, but that's probably how it has always been. Although in broodwar there might not have been as much international tournament participation.
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I wish kespa was sall, "Hey guys, you can do international tournaments without contacting us because I think it should be your free will to go to tournaments you want to go to assss long as you practice."
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Sounds right.
Nothing surprising here. KeSPA is a player organization and wants organizations to contact them regarding their players. More information from tournament organizations or KeSPA about their policies (what is enough player support) will determine how fair or preferential these policies may be.
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On December 01 2012 02:15 Picklebread wrote:
I wish kespa was sall, "Hey guys, you can do international tournaments without contacting us because I think it should be your free will to go to tournaments you want to go to assss long as you practice."
Yea but it costs alot of money to send players to tournaments that they didnt even qualify for. You're basically banking on the fact that they can get through the open bracket and up onwards through the tourny.
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Kespa is destroying esports by depriving it of needless drama and putting out a reasonable statement. :p
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So, they want to receive invitations to open tournaments? Then get butt-hurt and release statements when they don't get them.
Cool.
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KeSPA is presently negotiating with several international tournament organizers
means no basically, just like the way ESF teams lie about having sponsors, "currently in negotiation" is the exact opposite of what it means.
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Shadow Edit: We are investigating this and and trying to figure out exactly what the situation is.
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On December 01 2012 02:19 Mirhi wrote:
This is not true. IPL both directly and indirectly contacted KeSPA. We contacted the following sources:
KeSPA officials
KeSPA teams
KeSPA players
OGN
All about trying to get KeSPA players for IPL Fight Club and IPL5, and future events.
Uh oh.. then someone is lying.
Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence!
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I am thinking more and more that the right response of the world is to just start ignoring KeSPA and their players altogether. So you wanna have your nice closed leagues with your private superstars? Cool. We can have fun without you.
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On December 01 2012 02:24 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:19 Mirhi wrote:
This is not true. IPL both directly and indirectly contacted KeSPA. We contacted the following sources:
KeSPA officials
KeSPA teams
KeSPA players
OGN
All about trying to get KeSPA players for IPL Fight Club and IPL5, and future events. Uh oh.. then someone is lying. Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence!
Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why.
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On December 01 2012 02:27 opisska wrote:
I am thinking more and more that the right response of the world is to just start ignoring KeSPA and their players altogether. So you wanna have your nice closed leagues with your private superstars? Cool. We can have fun without you.
I don't think they want to have their closed leagues where only their players can compete and the players can compete only there. They only want to have control over "their" players, however, I don't know if that's a good thing or not.
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Seems like MLG vs IPL more than KeSPA vs IPL
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On December 01 2012 02:18 TrickyGilligan wrote:
So, they want to receive invitations to open tournaments? Then get butt-hurt and release statements when they don't get them.
Cool.
wat. Im really curious of the thought process here to come up with this post.
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On December 01 2012 02:27 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:24 zestzorb wrote:On December 01 2012 02:19 Mirhi wrote:
This is not true. IPL both directly and indirectly contacted KeSPA. We contacted the following sources:
KeSPA officials
KeSPA teams
KeSPA players
OGN
All about trying to get KeSPA players for IPL Fight Club and IPL5, and future events. Uh oh.. then someone is lying. Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence! Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why.
Different possibilies. Could for example be that he #1 has no proof, could be that they #2 will do a better announcement or could be #3 that it's wrong. I think it's either #1 or #2.
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Australia54784 Posts
On December 01 2012 02:27 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 02:24 zestzorb wrote:On December 01 2012 02:19 Mirhi wrote:
This is not true. IPL both directly and indirectly contacted KeSPA. We contacted the following sources:
KeSPA officials
KeSPA teams
KeSPA players
OGN
All about trying to get KeSPA players for IPL Fight Club and IPL5, and future events. Uh oh.. then someone is lying. Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence! Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why.
well, it's on the internetz forever now haha
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On December 01 2012 02:27 opisska wrote:
I am thinking more and more that the right response of the world is to just start ignoring KeSPA and their players altogether. So you wanna have your nice closed leagues with your private superstars? Cool. We can have fun without you.
Any players in real professional team league sports are not free to attend any tournament or commercials in their own will. They are all the best leagues.
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