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Ah I need a break from course work anyways. First TL mafia game. Sadly I dont know anything about Street Fighter, but it looks like flavor is just flavor. | ||
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For lurking I think it seems even more of an issue in Newbie games than regular games because too many lurkers results in mafia wins most of the time in the Newbie games I looked at. That said, if we get any confirmed mafia I'll always vote confirmed mafias over suspicious lurkers. Btw Im a noob ...  | ||
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It seems you've both explained what you meant fairly well, and Im especially glad to see this post from you Rad cause I was getting slightly worried. On October 25 2012 14:11 Rad wrote: EBWOP - I also agree that there's no point in lynching a lurker over a clear scum read. That's not what I said originally but is what he's trying to make it seem like I said. Ha just saw you summed up my analysis for me: You're pushing for "have confidence, the scum will show" while I'm pushing for "find the scum, if you're confident push it, otherwise we should lynch lurker". That stance seems completely reasonable to me. Does it not to you? @ sylver You seem fairly energetic. Also, don't really think "What's your favorite role to play in mafia?" keeps us all that focused on scum hunting, but as it may be some clever scheme of yours Ill bite. ......Well actually I won't because I realized I was typing how I play the game. How clever. Loaded question indeed. | ||
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Also, I found Mr. Cheesecakes to be interesting. No town or scum tell; I just want to read more of your posts. | ||
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I dont like debears playstyle, but I think hes town which is what matters. He seems like one of those people who needs to be right, which by itself would only be bad if he tunnels, but it looks like hes better than what I took him for. I think hes town because hes been so unafraid at this point, and sticking out a lot, both traits mafia tend not to have. Rad seems town to me. Hes been called out the hardest and has adequately risen to the accusations against him. Pretty sure its a case of townie against townie, just as someone earlier said. djo just likes to ask questions, so I cant tell about him. I think hes more likely town than scum, as hes contributing more than a scum needs to. Id love it if he suddenly came out with info he got from questions with strong reads and stuff like that. As for everyone else I need to read their posts again. It seems my scum-hunting has so far resulted in town-finding, but thats how its gone. Also, I deliberately dodged sylvers question about what your favorite role is to play to show I was town(which, ironically because he was role hunting, still answered his question). I would never have posted such an awkward response I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. | ||
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I would never have posted such an awkward response if I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. -before someone wastes time going 'OMG scum slip' on that. | ||
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On October 26 2012 04:11 Dandel Ion wrote: What scumhunting exactly? I didn't ever see you do something that would qualify as such. On October 26 2012 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote: To be devils advocate for a second, I imagine he means he's scouring the comments intently. Whereas your definition of scumhunting is probably closer to "actively engage with people to make them mess up"" Thanks clarity. Also, I deliberately dodged sylvers question about what your favorite role is to play to show I was town(which, ironically because he was role hunting, still answered his question). I would never have posted such an awkward response I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. Pure WIFOM. You said you wouldn't do it as scum, but if you are scum, you could do it, point at it, and say "I'd never do this as scum". It's impossible to get a read on your original answer, but the INSTANT you try to argue with "I'd never do this as scum"-WIFOM shit, it gets me riled up. Don't do that. It doesn't make you look good. Oh ok. Guess Ill not try to make myself look like a townie in the thread. Might get mistaken as WIFOM. So then what would be a wifom defense vs a non wifom defense? You can argue anything that way a long as you dont like it. I find just about every argument/case presented so far to be stupid and pointless. To be straight up, this first day/night cycle Im not going to contribute that much. I thought I had much more time when I signed up and then RL got stupid busy out of nowhere. My time will free up much more starting around Sunday-Monday, and then Ill be able to give the amount of time Ive wanted to give. If you dont like it, tough, but I dont like it either and Im quite frustrated about it. Whine about it if you want, but it is what it is. | ||
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-Should be back to post something in around 6-7 hours. | ||
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On October 26 2012 12:22 Djodref wrote: Why we should lynch Inig First of all, I would like you to read Inig's filter before you read this case. It's not going to take you long time and you should also make your own opinion by yourself. I would like to lynch Inig for the following reasons
Total lack of scumhunting + Show Spoiler + Even if he is claiming that he has done some scumhunting, Inig has not given us any scumread and has asked a total of two questions to other players. He is not putting pressure or anyone or trying to understand the motives of anyone. On October 25 2012 15:39 Inigmaticalism wrote: Ah yes i see, the 'why' is more important than the 'what'. Excellent, Sylver answer Djo when u wake up. On October 26 2012 08:34 Inigmaticalism wrote: Right now I dont have any scum reads, only town reads which Ive already said in earlier posts. So I would lynch one of the lurkers probably. Also, Djo you seem to be the only one really going after me, so while your asking everyone what they think of me, you should answer your own question. what you you think of me? -Should be back to post something in around 6-7 hours. As you can see, he is not really committing, even when he asks some questions. Emotionally detached from this game + Show Spoiler + When I'm reading Inig's filter, I have the feeling that he is spectating this game and not a part of it. This is a characteristic of mafia players. He tries to look active by telling us what is going on in the thread in his view but he is not giving us extra information. This post is a perfect example of such an empty posing style. On October 25 2012 15:27 Inigmaticalism wrote: I have a thought regarding the Rad-Debears argument, over the whole 'confidence' thing. Its possible Im wrong, but it seems that Rad views the world in a more 'logical' way, meaning that in this case (playing mafia) having sound logic and scum reads will naturally result in confidence from said logic. Debears may happen to be more 'emotional', in this case where having a strong will/confidence allows for people like him (and me) to be very logical when there is a strong emotional base beneath them. You've both brought up the pros and cons about each type of viewpoint, so it should be beneficial if you guys watch out for each other. It seems you've both explained what you meant fairly well, and Im especially glad to see this post from you Rad cause I was getting slightly worried. Ha just saw you summed up my analysis for me: @ sylver You seem fairly energetic. Also, don't really think "What's your favorite role to play in mafia?" keeps us all that focused on scum hunting, but as it may be some clever scheme of yours Ill bite. ......Well actually I won't because I realized I was typing how I play the game. How clever. Loaded question indeed. Attempt to gain town cred by using a WIFOM argument + Show Spoiler + This is the most incriminating point in my opinion. Please have a careful look at the following part from Ini in bold font. On October 26 2012 03:42 Inigmaticalism wrote: /snip As for everyone else I need to read their posts again. It seems my scum-hunting has so far resulted in town-finding, but thats how its gone. Also, I deliberately dodged sylvers question about what your favorite role is to play to show I was town(which, ironically because he was role hunting, still answered his question). I would never have posted such an awkward response if I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. How can you show that you are town by not answering question ? Why does he bring something like this up ? Mafia players usually try to get as much town cred as they can, for whatever weird reason. I think he knows his reason to claim town are bad and that's why he is backing it up by a WIFOM argument. Alright here we go. 1. I deny nothing about not scum hunting. I have only had time to read the thread, and have found town looking players: debears, rad, djo(tho im not sure anymore, more on that later). As I said, I will have time in a few days to do proper scum hunting. If you feel that is not a risk worth taking, so be it. Ill give my scum hunting/reading in my next post. -And, if your going to pull out reasons to lynch me based not on what I have done, but what I havent done, then perhaps you should also look at Oats and Imcasey who havent scumhunted OR contributed (or at least tried) Or posted at all. 2. Ha I am anything BUT emotionally detached from this game. In fact, Ive been getting so emotional I dont think I can or should play mafia games and just go back to watching/reading them. All the logical things I want to say and rules I want to follow fly out the window, and its dumb. Here is Mr cheesecake calling me out on it: On October 26 2012 13:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And to respond to Djodref, since he is always asking about people's reads on Inig. On Inig: The only two things I find suspicious about him are A.) Him throwing a tantrum over the WIFOM incident. "This argument is stupid" etc. I actually almost rage-quit and threw out on-purpose made-up scumslips and such, so I just got to working on homework and stepped away. Im not sure why you said im emotionally detached. Very odd. But you are right about spectating. In the particular post you quoted of mine, I was attempting to get Rad and Debears to drop their argument because it had shown me they were town and should therefore work together. Course they ignored me and kept on arguing policies and confidences and whatnot. So your accusation is false, unless you leave off the word 'emotional'. 3. Gaining town credit. I am going to split this definition so I can understand what you mean. I put that there originally to be a flag that I was town, for ppl to pick up on. Then cause no one got it or was simply silent about it, I used it as a defense, and then it became a WIFOM, or so im told. I understand a little better how WIFOM works cause I didnt know before (ironically it was you Djo who told me so) but Im probably still going to mess that up again in the future. So ya I used a WIFOM argument. I originally wanted (before the wifom) to gain town 'status' by showing I was town. Now town credit would certainly come by that. I see town credit as town standing, as in how much people listen to you. I actually think since you are the first one to bring this up you are a lot more interested in it. You can believe I was trying to get town credit all you want, but what would I use it for? What cases do I have to push? None. Even if I did get town credit, it would have been of no use to me, and it still isnt of any use to me now. And to put it out there in case I wasnt clear, I am a Vanilla Townie. "Ya, sure, everyones a town, etc". I know I wouldnt believe the claim I just made up front either. Im just letting you know Im not gonna come out with some crazy blue claim or cry for medic support later on. No tricks here. Last, I found a some fun information on Djo: On October 26 2012 13:12 Djodref wrote: @debears I think Inig fits the category of a semi-lurker trying to blend in. I don't like them much. Regarding Alsn, him lurking like this is not fitting his town meta at all. I'm quite suspicious of him at the moment. Moreover, I'm expecting a town Alsn to give more reasons for FoS me. I'm just trying to push him to check if his FoS was faked or not. Which means that Djo is voting because he thinks I am a semi-lurker, not because I am scum. He does however clarify better here: On October 26 2012 14:02 Djodref wrote: I have asked questions to many people, not only Inig and Roco. This is a misrepresentation of the reality. It's true that I'm focusing a lot on Inig but it's because I think he is scum. That's why I want people to give their thoughts about him. Criticizing Rad for his support of lurker policy lynch doesn't mean I don't want to lynch a lurker. I don't want to protect the lurkers or anything like that. I just don't want us to use blindly the policy lynch or to rely on it too much. If a lurker is scummy enough (like Inig in my eyes), I would lynch him for being scummy, nor for the policy. I think your FoS is forced by the way... So then he does say he thinks I am scum. So all I really want you to clarify Djo is whether you think I am actually scum, or am just the scummiest looking semi-lurker. If its the latter, based on what youve said at the beginning of the game that doesnt fit you. I would want to have more solid proof of scum. Although it is day 1 so.... I would label Djo as like 70% town. Hes been consistent and contributing. I think hes gone after me too long to be mafia. He has talked an awful lot though. Its probably more likely, with all his questions and style of scumhunting, thats hes a vigi or SK or something like that, seeing who he can get lynched (who he thinks is scum if hes vigi, etc), and then who he cant hes found his night targets. Just a thought. Fun facts: -Djo labeled me and Dandel as scumteam in pre-game *Personally with all his questions I think Djo is trying to get all his friends to tell him about me cause he secretly wants to date me | ||
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On October 26 2012 08:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm not sure how to comprehend this answer. Inig is obviously very distressed, as he's discrediting everything by calling it blatantly "stupid and pointless". Either he doesn't know how to form a coherent response to an accusation or is cracking under pressure. I don't like the response at all. With him going afk after this, I'm beginning to get suspicious of him. Oh ya and look cheese also calls me out about being emotional and freaking out in thread. His arguments good too, although I wish he put in a 'outside mafia influences' reason as well, but thats fine. I actually have found cheese to be more likely town than I said djo was, so this is why I called this out. -This point is not doing anything other than saying he read it. Like my earlier posts, it doesnt really contribute at all, doesnt really push me either except in the most indirect of ways. -The 'Im beginning to get suspicious of" me. Ive re-read my own filter. Cheese you should already be suspicious of me, not beginning to be. Ive barely been pro-town at all. -While those points are fun and are probably included in numerous posts in this game, I call it out because it seems like Cheese is simply trying to look good by joining a case that had potential to go somewhere (and so far has). I think what Im trying to say is that I read it and then after re-reading it I realized it had 0 content, but it looked like it did. No treally a scum-tell, but I guess I saw it because it seemed different than his other posts. | ||
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-Asln has posts (if im right) 3 posts so far. Almost just says 'Im here', but at least he contributes something (FOS at you mostly). I would want to vote for him later simply because he actually said something. -Sylvers interesting because he has tried to be helpful in his own way (role-hunting, player list repost), but once we made him clarify what he was doing hes been silent. Discouraged townie or having a hard time finding fact stuff to post? Really not sure. -Roco has 2 posts and says nothing. Yeah, policy stuff, but really policy stuff can be said at one time and then the player can vote however they really want to vote later. Once again, maybe townie shut down once he voiced his opinion? Cept hes scummier to me since he doesnt say anything. Roco and Asln, post a few more posts! They can be real simple, just give 1 or a few scum-reads and a few reasons/facts to back them up. Its ok if they rip you apart, they did me, its about getting some more info/different insight out there for town. -Dandel may be my biggest strong scum read. Its funny, most people go after those who post lots and those who post little, not those who post a decent amount(cheesecake, dandel) or not at all(oats, imcasey). Hes been fairly active, pushing different discussions here and there, nothing too major, thats what Ive been doing. Then he takes up a case against Roco, and not only is Roco probably the easiest target to target, but he doesnt even get real serious about it. He FOS to make it LOOk strong, but explains why hes being soft about it here: On October 25 2012 19:23 Dandel Ion wrote: @Roco: Are you planning to lurk? (by your posts, it doesn't look like you plan on being active) Care to explain to me how (probably) lurking yourself and lynching the most active players will help you find scum? Also, answer Djo's questions pls. (especially the second one) Until he manages to clarify that: ##FoS Roco I know it's possible he's just... well, a noob, that's why I didn't straight up vote for him. In my first game, I suggested a No-lynch day1 (though I'd like to think that I was more logical about it) But remember that we talked about playing the "newbie-card" in the beginning? Same goes for other people. I get a scummy feel off Roco, and I'm not going to ignore it because it's his first game. He also says how hes not going to let Roco slide, and thats exactly what hes done. Not one mention of Roco in the few posts hes made after that. And he seems to talk to all the semi-lurkers and Djo. Not sure if thats anything important, but Ill keep it in mind. THEN he tries to start EVEN MORE policy discussion, again, in my own words, "stupid (because I was frustrated) and pointless." Contributing to killing time rather than scum-hunting. No attempt to explain why not either, just getting everyones policy straight is "important": On October 25 2012 21:29 Dandel Ion wrote: Now what do you think about: Lurker policy Other policy Your thoughts on the developments in this thread so far Not only you, but other people should address those 3 things too. Talking about policy is not exciting, I know, but we don't have much else to talk about right now, and I'd really prefer everyone to take a definite stance on things earlier instead of later. Like I said, because you can simply change your stance and have wonderful excuses like "of course Id lynch scum over my policy, duh" or whatever, its wasted time. Not only does it look like its a pro-town move, but I would think mafia would benefit more from town knowing how people were going to vote. Swing lynches easier. (And that BETTER NOT be wifom. Cause I think its a darn good idea). - I am most willing to Vote for Dandel, and if I have any time for more scumhunting, it will be on you dan. Please feel free to reply to this so I can think about what to do before lynch-time. -Mr. CC I like his style a lot, and have thought he was very townie. However, I need to actually read what hes said just like I just did to dandel to see if its content or fluff, but I REALLY need to sleep, so I cant. One of you lurkers (or someone), take up this job while Im lurking between now and lynch-time. Otherwise Ill get to it Day2 if Im still alive. The only thing against him is the post I made a few posts up about him giving me a seriously stern 'look', where its almost like he defends and attacks me at the same time. So....interesting. -Da0ud is somewhere among my roco dandel alsn (discounting no posters) list, but I honestly have no idea what hes said, and without knowing this knowledge I would be uncomfortable voting for him right now. -And that leaves the rest of you Ive made the risky leap of faith to label as townies for now: Djo, rad, debears, and Mr CC depending on what he says and when I read all his stuff. I am very hesitant to do this, but I think I will have plenty of time to change my vote. I would vote for you right now Dandel, and will do so at the end of the day if you fail to answer any of my questions, but while we wait for your responses I want to poke for more information. ##Vote: imcasey Tell me why I should not vote for you. | ||
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A last note because I will show up 'late to the party': If someone is getting lynched and there is no one else close to getting lynched, AND there is little to NO resistance for the lynch of that particular player, something is wrong. Scum can just sit back and watch it happen, supah ez, cause its most likely a townie. If it was a scum getting lynched, the scum team is going to try to sway the vote however they can, directly or indirectly. Unless of course, the one being lynched made an obvious scumslip and was caught, then disregard this whole thought. | ||
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##unvote I voted imcasey over oats(now kush) by pure chance. I picked one name because I only have 1 vote. It appears it was utterly useless, and now has weakened me. The reason I didnt straight out vote Dan is because 1 or more people voting right before deadline out of nowhere scares me, but presuring didnt work the way I did it. So now of course Ill ##Vote: Dandel Ion Like I said I have no time to refute his case on me. I thought it was interesting how he reappeared right after I called him out, and then da0ud came out right after, but im not going to go off of times based on my own history. I also thought da0uds reasons to vote me were sad. If anyone can get any good scum-tell from him besides what was already said I would change and vote for him. See you in a few hours. *And for goodness sake, if Djo is scum hes put himself in an extremely risky situation, but is also being super pro about it. I want to keep him alive and see what he can do with his energy for defending himself put to the use of more scum-hunting. *and no more FOS this close to deadline. straight up vote. | ||
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I voted for Dandel to make it clear I think he is scum, and i have succeeded in making my point by the looks of it. And since I had not read da0uds filter, I did not want to vote for someone I did not think was mafia. I have since then read his filter and the arguments brought against him and will now vote for him. ##unvote ##Vote: da0ud I think da0ud and Dandel are a scum team. Reasons for: include they have each only ever talked to each other at least once, and the time Dandel talks to da0ud he says On October 26 2012 22:56 Dandel Ion wrote: daoud, I expect better reasoning than that. It really gets me paranoid when people sheep on cases like you did, this early in the game. which may be fine but it sounds way too personal for them never have actually talking to each other. Reasons against: them both jumping on me after accusing Dandel would be poor scum play. And at that point in time, the only other lynch target was Djo. So possible scenarios include them being desperate, meaning Djo is also scum which I find hard to believe, or really was just poor scum play. So idk, it makes more sense to me that they are a scum team but not certain. Now, the one reason I am hesitant to vote for da0ud is because of kush. Kush has been here for only a few hours and it is clear he knows what he is doing and to me is a power player. I like pretty much everything hes said. Normally I would just be wary of him but we have no history really to check him out on, so I am inclined to give less weight to his arguments incase he is trying to pull something because it is obvious he knows what he is doing. But I will still vote for da0ud because his argument seems well done, and because this will no longer be an issue after another cycle has gone by. | ||
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* I found it kinda funny my top townie reads were/are wanting me dead * On October 27 2012 08:21 Rad wrote: I'm going to have to go with da0ud for the reasons I listed previously. ##Vote da0ud Guys, what do we do if roco or imcasey come in last second and vote? Should we try to change our vote to them ASAP or let it slide and talk about it after? I was actually going to be dumb and keep my vote on dandel if it looked like da0ud would be lynched but I didnt because of how close the lynch has been and because of this exact scenario possiblilty. | ||
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