Thank you for that. You will have a special place in any future games just because you thought that through.

Hapahauli replaces hiro, and game begins tonight normally.

Role PMs should be sent somewhere between 40min prior the deadline and the daypost.

Any idea approx what time we're starting?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:13 GMT

#75

Sup Detectives, let's begin the hunt.

As with some of my previous games, I'll be advocating a an anti-lurker policy for Day 1. I've seen inactive mafia in both newbie and veteran games time and time again, and I firmly believe it to be the best Day 1 lynching option.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:15 GMT

#76

Also, I'm just going to refer to everything as Town/Mafia from now on (as opposed to Detective/Kira/whatev). I'm not one for thematicism, and it makes it easier on the brain.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:26 GMT

#79

On August 31 2012 11:24 MrZentor wrote:
Hi.

sup d00d

Ever seen DeathNote before? If so, who's your favorite character?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:29 GMT

#84

On August 31 2012 11:28 MrZentor wrote:
Light. <3

You Kira Sympathizer YOUUUUUU! Scum obv.

##Vote MrZentor

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:36 GMT

#88

But in all seriousness, good to have a couple of folks around.

I'd like to hear some thoughts on a policy I'm thinking of...

Since we're operating on 24 hour days, there's going to be a lot of chaos on trying to get a read. On Day 1, it will be really easy for us to tunnel and kill a non-articulate townie without that extra 24 hours to take a step back and breathe.

I propose that after 12-14 hours, we each take a step back from our pressures/cases (barring a major scumslip from someone) and begin to focus on those who haven't been involved in the game. It'll be very easy for mafia to hide under the chaos of 24 hour days otherwise. Thoughts?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:40 GMT

#92

On August 31 2012 11:32 Risen wrote:
...

The only exception to this being the people who said they would be busy pregame so I'll give them a wash maybe (maybe) on those days.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see anyone make any pre-game excuses... so thankfully this isn't a concern. Also, with the OP explicity mentioning people being availible and active over the next 8 days, there's NO excuse for ANYONE to lurk. Lurking, in this setup especially, is anti-town

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:46 GMT

#96

On August 31 2012 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Zeph is likely to take care of any actual lurking, but Hapa is right. If I'm too silent for too long, I expect to hear about it, preferably before I'm policy lynched for it. I'll apply the same principle to everyone else in the game.

I disagree. No one here is a newbie, and every competent town player should know that lurking is bad in a 24 hour setup. As far as I'm concerned, if someone is not putting in the effort on their own after committing to such an intense setup, they are anti-town and deserve significant suspicion.

I don't want to have to let anyone know. If someone lurks, my "reminder" will be a D1 lynch hammer, and they'll have to claw their way out to survive.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:48 GMT

#97

On August 31 2012 11:44 Risen wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yup, see?

Missed that, whoops. I will say I do expect Mattchew to put in some effort. Quality over quantity perhaps.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 02:58 GMT

#99

Actually waaaaait a minute here. Are you suggesting that you'll be lurky or something? Surely you shouldn't be worried about "reminders" or whatnot if you're indeed pro-town and intend to post?

##Vote Hopeless1der

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 03:05 GMT

#101

Bleh.

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 03:07 GMT

#102

Also, our sleep-schedules are going to play a pretty big role over the game. Again, 24 hour days makes knowing availibility pretty critical.

Does anyone in the game sleep through the lynch-deadline? If so, disclose it now - town needs to know who we can and can't count on to switch votes if necessary. I'm normally pretty active in the 5-6 hours before lynch, and I go to bed a 1-2 hours after.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 03:25 GMT

#105

On August 31 2012 12:21 Mattchew wrote:

Show nested quote +

imma try to play actively for a couple hours and then in the morning (USA East Coast) but I will drop off significantly after that.

Hapahauli have you played any other games before?

Other mafia games? I've played 3 newbie minis (XX, XXI, XXIII) if that's what you're asking.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 03:33 GMT

#109

mattchew isn't gone quite yet

Abstains? Wut?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 03:35 GMT

#111

Oh didn't know the context. Anywho, I don't see any reason for a townie to abstain - do you?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 03:48 GMT

#114

Tbh Hopeless, I really don't understand that line from you (that i referenced in my vote post). It's like you're suggesting that you'll need to be reminded and that you won't be attentive to your own lurking. Care to clarify?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 03:52 GMT

#115

On August 31 2012 12:39 HiroPro wrote:
No. I would policy lynch anyone who abstained.

Agreed. This needs to be enforced unless there's some nuance about the setup I'm not aware of.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 13:27 GMT

#152

Couple of things before I:m off to class for the day:

@BlackMamba24 - The problem with lynching liars is that "lies" in the traditional sense are hard to prove (i.e. fake-claiming), and it's hard to interpret what a "lie" really is. For example, a bad, misleading case can be made by a townie or a mafia member. It's too easy to intepret something like that as a "lie" based on policy as opposed to analysis. However, lynching lurkers is a great way to catch mafia. If you look back in any recent games, a significant portion of the mafia team is usually far less active than the rest of the thread - newbie games or otherwise. Hence my policy.

I will say that I have much more to say about this post in particular later in the day... while the day 1 caveat for cases applies, this one is just laughably bad.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&currentpage=7#136

@ShadySands - I'm trying out a new thing with the voting - I believe it was marv who told me that using "FOS" was for "scumhunters without balls." I'm pulling rough quotes here, but it's my sense that using "FOS" is frowned upon by the normal-game meta.

@StrongandBig - Interesting claim, but "detectives" are are green role, and as far as I know, only the blue role ("L") can actually use the detective power.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 31 2012 13:30 GMT

#154

On August 31 2012 22:01 Solarsail wrote:
This game I plan to vote for people acting anti-town/"crazy" because in XXIV the people who did that were either mafia or very much helping the mafia despite being town by being a huge distraction.

Hold up dood, I obsed that game, and only one of the mafia members were acting "crazy" (YourHarry). However, the other two members of the team (Z-Boson and Golbat) were lurking hardcore. So shouldn't you then be focusing your efforts on the latter category?