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I'm honestly sorry for my long time before posting... I'll explain myself even if some of you might take that as lurking. I want to make a clear statement, I work every day from 5am to 1pm EST. I looked yesterday (Sunday) to see when was the game starting and it had not begun yet. So, I went to bed (when you work this early, you have to sleep xD) I came back today from work, all pumped up about starting my first game of forum mafia (I've only played the one on StarCraft) and I saw that I had 7 pages to read of English (I'm a slow reader in French, just imagine in English xD) After reading all these pages (I'll probable have to go back to some points to make a case ...) I finally post... I don't know how to start, if I should call my role or not just as Hapahauli did even if it might be suspicious to insist on your role and being the one saying what policies we should follow. However, since he looks to have quite a lot of experience, I'll just say it, I'm a Vanilla Townie ! :D Hope I'm not too late to join the game =/ | ||
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Alright, for the policy, I think it's a great way to play the Day One even if I don't want to make it the only logic I use. I understand that it's almost only for the first day, which makes perfect sense. Saying that because I know how mafia players act when they are mafia (talking about myself when I play on StarCraft or IRL with my friends xD) Now, a player I would think is suspicious... Looking at yourself, being a leader in the discussion and giving the idea for the policy YOU want to adopt can make you suspicious. =/ Not to forget that you seem to have a lot of experience in this game, which would make it easier for you to hide from players such as me that are new to the game. However, it's just a feeling I have and I can't really rely on that (Have to use my scientist mind !  )As for YourHarry, from what I've read, he's acting quite suspiciously, the most of all... I have to tell that I wouldn't know who to vote for =/ I don't feel like we're currently following the policy we instored for Day One For Tolerance, I tried to contact him on Skype to tell him that the game had started, but he won't answer ... (He's my friend) Looks like we'll need someone to substitute him =( | ||
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On August 07 2012 09:38 Dandel Ion wrote: We need discussion. We NEED it. Just saying "yep let's lynch a lurker" and then go brain-afk will not help us. Ah, ok I see, the policy is just like a warning. Nevermind then xD (It also felt a bit better to just discuss with everybody, trying to find out anything suspicious. + Show Spoiler + You might wanna be careful with that, I'm pretty sure it's forbidden to contact other players even for that. Thanks man, I'll watch myself :D I just want to point out, I managed to make quotes without any first try and YourHarry failed (I hope my quotes will work xD) | ||
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On August 07 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote: @ Sideni - thanks for posting your ideas, but perhaps you can elaborate on a couple of items? Why do you find YourHarry suspicious so far? Also, how are we not following our day 1 policy? I don't want to look like I'm jumping a bandwagon. However, being a bit late to the game, I'm trying to read what people are pointing out. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 09:35 Dandel Ion wrote: You start off with the unreadable post, instead of fixing it you make a joke. Yes that point is old, and we've been over it already. Then you vote without giving a reason: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#169 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#170 Just to jump onto somebody else right after (note that none of either players you accuse have posted inbetween): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#174 Both players have also FoS'd you before that, so you respond by voting for them. When pointed out by the powers that be that you are voting wrong, you go back to voting Promethelax instead http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#177 I'd like for you to make sense of that, for I cannot. Your play is confusing to me, because as town, I don't see why you'd do that. I gotta say that what Dandel Ion said makes sense to me. I don't really want to re-explain everything since he has already done that. Just the fact that YourHarry voted for the one who was against him makes him suspicious to me. (That's how I used to play in the live custom game i.e. voting againt people who are saying bad things about me xD) | ||
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On August 07 2012 09:59 Lvdr wrote: Sideni: Restating a case made by someone else is not good for establishing town cred. Harry is erratic, but that doesn't mean he's scum. So far you've suspected YH and Hapa. There are 3 scum, so who is the third? Well, I have to tell you that since we can only lynch 1 person per day, I don't see why I would need to get 3 hypothesis. However, I've read back to some things people posted not long ago and I might have found a clue. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 09:23 iamperfection wrote: Thats the problem with yourharry. We keep him around and he will just confise the town with his nonsense. I dont see why would should invest him and carry him to the end of the game. Plus his play from this game has been less than desirable. He made no response to my calling him out early in the game ( A sign that he dosent read the thread) and his hard to follow logic i think will just be detriment going further. He basically just shows how it can be shown as wifom and then just throws a vote out there for no real reason. I want people going forward that will stand behind logic and look to strong cases. ## Vote Yourharry I see we only have one lurker left. You see how sidini didnt get his head bitten off just post dude I used the Bold to point out the most important of his speech. I try to show that iamperfection could be trying to convince us that we don't need YourHarry. The point he's making isn't that we don't want YourHarry because he has great chances to be scum, but because he's confusing. In other words, he wants to get rid of him just because he's not clear and not because he's mafia ! After looking at that, I still feel that YourHarry might be suspicious, but I think that iamperfection has something against him with his case. As Promethelax said On August 07 2012 10:01 Promethelax wrote: his play is simply bad and, as any coach will tell you, bad play is a dumb-tell not a scum tell. | ||
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## vote iamperfection you can relate to my other post to see why + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 10:21 Sideni wrote: Well, I have to tell you that since we can only lynch 1 person per day, I don't see why I would need to get 3 hypothesis. However, I've read back to some things people posted not long ago and I might have found a clue. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 09:23 iamperfection wrote: Thats the problem with yourharry. We keep him around and he will just confise the town with his nonsense. I dont see why would should invest him and carry him to the end of the game. Plus his play from this game has been less than desirable. He made no response to my calling him out early in the game ( A sign that he dosent read the thread) and his hard to follow logic i think will just be detriment going further. He basically just shows how it can be shown as wifom and then just throws a vote out there for no real reason. I want people going forward that will stand behind logic and look to strong cases. ## Vote Yourharry I see we only have one lurker left. You see how sidini didnt get his head bitten off just post dude I used the Bold to point out the most important of his speech. I try to show that iamperfection could be trying to convince us that we don't need YourHarry. The point he's making isn't that we don't want YourHarry because he has great chances to be scum, but because he's confusing. In other words, he wants to get rid of him just because he's not clear and not because he's mafia ! After looking at that, I still feel that YourHarry might be suspicious, but I think that iamperfection has something against him with his case. As Promethelax said | ||
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I want to know, how did iamperfection learn about Hapa's role ? @YourHarry, I gotta say, you got me with your style and the hate of iamperfection took attention off of you @Hapahauli your case on Promethelax was amazingly well structured ! :O I was about to write a post about myself changing my thoughts (keeping iamperfection on my list, but making Prome my first target) I'd like to know what the next things mean : Fluff, OMGUS, WIFOM, FOS ! Thanks ! I feel like mafia players played quite well for a newbie game. Next game will be awesome :D | ||
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)Following the same strategy as last game (since I'm a newbie), I will do as Hapa. I'm proud to announce you that I will serve the town this game again as my role is Vanilla Town ! :D For the policy, I've already talked about that last game. I'm all good with that kind of logic for Day One. My observations from last game : I think the most important thing that went right is that we were discussing a LOT ! I mean, we've looked at so many cases, read every posts to find anything suspicious. However, we did something wrong... I'm talking about when we stopped suspecting players such as YourHarry. (that was bad good play from YH ) I mean, we all thought he was suspicious, but at some point, iamperfection just got so much attention that we just felt that he was mafia and that YH was clean... We had no proof of YH being town yet, that's what we thought. The only proof we had is that iamperfection was making a huge story about his play, which was suspicious.I could say that I learned something about scumhunting Hapa, but it would mostly be a summary from the good and bad things we did  Same as last game, I have to go to bed early because of my job ! So, I'm now leaving and I'll see you guys tomorrow ! | ||
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@Dandel Ion : [QUOTE]On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote: [QUOTE]Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start)[/QUOTE] I have to make it clear ... As I said in XXIII.O, I'm working from 5am to 1pm every day. From the time I go to bed and the time I come back from work (do not forget that I do have a life outside of the Internet. i.e. I went to a music school today to get lessons ! :D) there's a lot of time for people to post and you have to remember, I'm a slow reader [QUOTE]On August 07 2012 09:06 Sideni wrote: I want to make a clear statement, I work every day from 5am to 1pm EST. I looked yesterday (Sunday) to see when was the game starting and it had not begun yet. So, I went to bed (when you work this early, you have to sleep xD) I came back today from work, all pumped up about starting my first game of forum mafia (I've only played the one on StarCraft) and I saw that I had 7 pages to read of English (I'm a slow reader in French, just imagine in English xD)[/QUOTE] I don't know if it's just that you forgot (I have to give it to you, it's from my first post in the game) or if you're trying to skip over that detail just to have one more name on your lurking list. =/ I have to tell you that it makes me a bit suspicious that you didn't know I was at work... However, I'm sure I'll forget (as you perhaps did) that Hapa is going on a trip for his marriage ! (Can't believe you fell for that trap(marriage) Hapa )Regarding the case of mkfuba : Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... However, I felt that it was kinda early to get a case going, not that it's a bad thing, but it's quite early. An early case and an early vote, could be suspicious to my eyes, but I don't have anything to make a read from you ! At the same time of posting, I want to ask what means EBWOP :D Also, note for @YourHarry : Hi there, nothing personal, it just highly irritates me to see, in your posts, "Hapha" instead of "Hapa" ... Could you please take care of that just for me ? :D It would be so kind of you :D | ||
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REPOST Alright, finally read through all the posts since I went to bed yesterday ! :D @Dandel Ion : On August 10 2012 05:28 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah, I'm lurking so far, I know I know. But so are goodkarma and Axero, Sideni (again) and Shady Sands (not even a single post since the start) I have to make it clear ... As I said in XXIII.O, I'm working from 5am to 1pm every day. From the time I go to bed and the time I come back from work (do not forget that I do have a life outside of the Internet. i.e. I went to a music school today to get lessons ! :D) there's a lot of time for people to post and you have to remember, I'm a slow reader On August 07 2012 09:06 Sideni wrote: I want to make a clear statement, I work every day from 5am to 1pm EST. I looked yesterday (Sunday) to see when was the game starting and it had not begun yet. So, I went to bed (when you work this early, you have to sleep xD) I came back today from work, all pumped up about starting my first game of forum mafia (I've only played the one on StarCraft) and I saw that I had 7 pages to read of English (I'm a slow reader in French, just imagine in English xD) I don't know if it's just that you forgot (I have to give it to you, it's from my first post in the game) or if you're trying to skip over that detail just to have one more name on your lurking list. =/ I have to tell you that it makes me a bit suspicious that you didn't know I was at work... However, I'm sure I'll forget (as you perhaps did) that Hapa is going on a trip for his marriage ! (Can't believe you fell for that trap(marriage) Hapa )Regarding the case of mkfuba : Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... However, I felt that it was kinda early to get a case going, not that it's a bad thing, but it's quite early. An early case and an early vote, could be suspicious to my eyes, but I don't have anything to make a read from you ! At the same time of posting, I want to ask what means EBWOP :D Also, note for @YourHarry : Hi there, nothing personal, it just highly irritates me to see, in your posts, "Hapha" instead of "Hapa" ... Could you please take care of that just for me ? :D It would be so kind of you :D | ||
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You have to forgive myself, I didn't remembered the right name ... I was talking about one of the new player, Kronen. I'm sure you're not a fan of people who don't read, me neither I'm always reading everything :D On August 09 2012 13:23 Kronen wrote: On the 14th through the 17th of this month I'll be travelling to, preparing for and going through with my marriage ceremony on the other side of the country. @Dandel Ion : Thanks for your explanation @Everybody : In my repost, I wrote "cote" instead of "quote" ... I'm truly sorry for that grammar mistake ! | ||
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On August 10 2012 06:51 Lvdr wrote: + Show Spoiler + Honestly, I read through it and I felt it was a great case and you somehow convinced me a bit (enough to make Lvdr my number 1 suspect) ! The "Both hapa and yh are mafia or both are town?" got me ! Being town, I would only have written "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" or at least in a different order (town before mafia)... I find this passage by Sideni somewhat scummy. Sideni claims a weak command of english multiple times, but is still comfortable bandwagoning mkfuba's argument with a semantic argument. As i said last game, scum hate making their own cases, and Sideni's is pretty fluffy. FOS Sideni Concerning my bad English : When I say that you have to forgive me if I don't master English that well, I'm just saying that I may sometimes make a mistake with grammar or a vocabular one. I may also not use the appropriate words. However, I am able to translate from English to French and the quote I'm referring to can be read that way : "Hapa et YH sont mafias ou civils ?" You have to understand that translating from word to word, I can easily say that I would have said something a specific way... Concerning the fact that I didn't make my own case : Why would I make a second case about yourself if mkfuba already made one ? Mostly when I have nothing to add to it... If something convinces me, I'll tell you what about it convinces me ... Finally, you say that I'm fluffy (you don't give a specific example and I don't mind). However, just imagine if I would have made my own case about yourself. The exact same thing that our buddy mkfuba said ! It would be even more fluffy ! Sometimes, even if you're town, it's just better to keep yourself quiet if you have nothing to add (it just creates confusion) Your suspicions about myself make me even more suspicious... Making this post, ou just act like I'm an easy target and because I think you're suspicious, you turn against me (which is, in my opinion, somewhat of a way a scum would act) I have to call it : FOS lvdr | ||
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On August 10 2012 07:40 Dandel Ion wrote: If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case? Is my mentality just wrong here? Well, I either answer to his post saying that I don't even care defending myself or I explain myself (just as I did) or I just don't answer... What is the smartest choice in your opinion ? I would gladly sacrifice myself to turn green to reveal that he's suspicious. However, I don't think it's smart If I just say that I don't care, it just feels to me that I don't pay attention to all details =/ If I don't answer, I'm being a lurker and this is bad for my party ! Gotta keep talking and if the talking can lead to something, then it's perfect ! :D So, last choice, I decided to explain myself. There's nothing wrong about explaining yourself ever ! On August 10 2012 07:59 Lvdr wrote: How does changing the order in any way change whether there was a scum tell or not? Whether I happened to say town or mafia first I think the suspicion would have been similar. Therefore, Sideni's addition reads as quite fluffy to me. Oh, I thought it was obvious, so I guess I skipped on that point ... =/ Well, first, if you only say "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" you look like a real town player (you care for the right thing). To illustrate myself, I'll have to use an example. Let's say you have oranges and grapefruits in a bag and you can't see them. Now, let's say you want an orange. You'll put your hand on one, you'll take it out (closing your eyes) and you'll ask the guy holding the bag : "Is this an orange ?" because that's the orange you want However, you asked : "Is this an orange or a grapefruit ?" Someone wouldn't talk about the grapefruit at all... Now, let's reverse the words : "Is this a grapefruit or an orange ?" First, you would never ask about the grapefruit at all ! Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xD Well, at least, the fact that you wouldn't usually ask for town is still right ! | ||
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On August 10 2012 08:36 Dandel Ion wrote: I think you misunderstood a little... I'm saying you shouldn't hold back anything just because you're concerned how it'd reflect on you. Taking note of that ! I just don't want a mislynch for town xD | ||
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On August 10 2012 08:47 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 08:28 Sideni wrote: Oh, I thought it was obvious, so I guess I skipped on that point ... =/ Well, first, if you only say "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" you look like a real town player (you care for the right thing). To illustrate myself, I'll have to use an example. Let's say you have oranges and grapefruits in a bag and you can't see them. Now, let's say you want an orange. You'll put your hand on one, you'll take it out (closing your eyes) and you'll ask the guy holding the bag : "Is this an orange ?" because that's the orange you want However, you asked : "Is this an orange or a grapefruit ?" Someone wouldn't talk about the grapefruit at all... Now, let's reverse the words : "Is this a grapefruit or an orange ?" First, you would never ask about the grapefruit at all ! Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xD Well, at least, the fact that you wouldn't usually ask for town is still right ! Bolded part and your analogy that doesn't go anywhere looks pretty scummy to me. There's basically no goal, direction or reason behind this, but you still feel the need to share it with us. You apologize for the confusion, but good town play, in my book, is trying to AVIOD confusion. Confusion, gray shades and everything inbetween just give scum openings for misinterpretations. Please, in the bolded part you clearly showed that you have the theoretical ability to think your posts through, the only thing left is to actually do it. Alright sir, I need some explanation from yourself ... You tell me in that post that a good town player would avoid confusion (that's why I cut on what I say sometimes). Although, in a post before, you're telling me that I shouldn't be afraid to say what I think... On August 10 2012 08:36 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm saying you shouldn't hold back anything just because you're concerned how it'd reflect on you. You're not coherent in your sayings. (I know that I can be incoherent as well, but that's why I excuse myself and that I explain my thoughts) I made a mistake in my logic and I thought it would be great to assume that it's my fault and to explain it instead of just saying "nevermind, I made a mistake"... As I already said, you're not coherent in your sayings about what you want me to do and it makes you suspicious to my eyes. Next thing that bugs me is that I've been pressuring lvdr a bit and at some point, you just came to defend him ... =/ I'm currently under pressure by both lvdr and you and nobody comes to help me I'm suspicious about you two. I looked at all the posts of lvdr and not a single one refers to you (in the current game). I did the same with your posts and the only time I have a result where you're talking about lvdr, it's either because you use a quote from someone talking about lvdr or because you're defending him... There's nothing, whatsoever, in the game, where you interact with each other, yet you both seem to be teamed up against me right now... You didn't even suspected each other even if there's enough material to ask yourself some questions ... For these reasons, I want to say FOS both of you, but I don't know if I can do that according to the rules. But, you're both on the same level of suspicions. | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:26 Dandel Ion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 09:19 Sideni wrote: Alright sir, I need some explanation from yourself ... You tell me in that post that a good town player would avoid confusion (that's why I cut on what I say sometimes). Although, in a post before, you're telling me that I shouldn't be afraid to say what I think... You're not coherent in your sayings. (I know that I can be incoherent as well, but that's why I excuse myself and that I explain my thoughts) I made a mistake in my logic and I thought it would be great to assume that it's my fault and to explain it instead of just saying "nevermind, I made a mistake"... As I already said, you're not coherent in your sayings about what you want me to do and it makes you suspicious to my eyes. Next thing that bugs me is that I've been pressuring lvdr a bit and at some point, you just came to defend him ... =/ I'm currently under pressure by both lvdr and you and nobody comes to help me I'm suspicious about you two. I looked at all the posts of lvdr and not a single one refers to you (in the current game). I did the same with your posts and the only time I have a result where you're talking about lvdr, it's either because you use a quote from someone talking about lvdr or because you're defending him... There's nothing, whatsoever, in the game, where you interact with each other, yet you both seem to be teamed up against me right now... You didn't even suspected each other even if there's enough material to ask yourself some questions ... For these reasons, I want to say FOS both of you, but I don't know if I can do that according to the rules. But, you're both on the same level of suspicions. What? Please quote the part where I defend Lvdr. Because I'm pretty sure I didn't do that. At this point, I'm almost convinced you INTENTIONALLY misunderstand what I'm writing. You shouldn't hold back READS and CASES. You SHOULD think about what you're posting. What of this is hard to understand? I don't get your "logic". Clarify please. Well, it looks like I overestimated the number of posts where you kinda defend lvdr. (note that defending isn't just to give counter arguments, it's also to take the attention off the thing you want to protect.) Here's where it begins. On August 10 2012 07:40 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay here's the thing I don't get (afair lvdr really stood out with that reasoning in game 0.5 - he was town that game though): If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case? The first bold thing is something I will come back to later. Alright, so with the question you ask me right here, you make me feel like you're using what lvdr brought. (I was explaining myself to him by that point.) So, when you saw that you had a chance to interrogate me, you took it. Just as a child would get into the lie of his friend. Since then, you're still on my case and you just now decided to explain what you meant clearly ... (leaving me enough time to believe a lot of things and seem confused) As I said, defending isn't only to use counter-arguments to protect someone, it can also be just the fact that you take the attention off the thing you want to protect. Well, since you started to get on my case, we haven't talked about lvdr and you haven't even talked about how he behaves ... (Without any hesitation taking care of me) The first thing I had bolded is somehow unusual to me =/ We all know lvdr was town last game. However, you have to specify that fact ? Why would you have to tell us that he was town ? Is it because you know his rank in this game ? And if you know his rank, we all know where you belong The "though" at the end of that sentence is what gets most of my attention ! It feels like you're saying : "Last time he was X, now he's Y" and since there are only 2 possibilities and X != Y, he has to be mafia if we follow what you're saying ! I hope that's clearer ! If there's anything you want me to specify, I would love if you could ask a specific question about a specific part of the post ... Which is something you haven't done yet and you just let me answer to something that isn't specific to give an unspecific answer that will cause confusion. In that confusion, it might be easier for you to fool me into saying things that I don't mean and to get me lost so my townie fellows would think of lynching me ! | ||
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