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On August 04 2012 08:22 Hapahauli wrote: ...well 1st time players =/ dw, I will play like I never have before. + Show Spoiler + get it? get it? | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:42 Lvdr wrote: Day 1 seems confusing, how exactly does the town apply pressure to mafia if they have no information? From my extensive research, I conclude that you just yell at some people and hope somebody slips up eventually | ||
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I like executing bad dudes, because I'm a good dude. Policy talk: Blindly lynching lurkers is probably just as bad as blindly lynching active people. If scum divides roles properly they will try to have ~2 posting actively and maybe 1 trying to lay low. Also, it's a huge tell if a lurker starts getting really active later in the game, so scum lurkers are not my primary concern right now. I do not agree with not lynching players just by merit of being active. But since it is highly unlikely that we find a big scumslip on day 1 (though one may hope), I would be fine with getting rid of a lurker day 1. I would also be okay with a no-lynch on day 1, since the chances of correctly lynching without information is 25%, so basically it's a crapshoot. But I'll understand if I find few supporters for that idea... Just putting it out there. | ||
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On August 06 2012 08:41 Hapahauli wrote: Welcome Dandel Ion! Good to see you in the threat so soon =) A couple of things regarding your post: I don't consider sudden activty later in the game a "huge-tell" - can you explain this to me? If somebody lurks all game and suddely gets really active when scum is in a dicey position, randomly bandwagons on somebody out of nowhere/etc. I would consider that extremely suspicious. Getting cred as an "active townie" after not contributing for days is pretty hard, I'd imagine. I have never played mafia before (forum or otherwise), so sure my opionions might be absolute BS, but right now, I don't feel threatened. On August 06 2012 08:41 Hapahauli wrote: No-lynching Day 1 is a terrible terrible idea. Even in the event of a mislynch, town gains so much information from the voting process that even a lynch with "poor odds" is beneficial. Furthermore, I believe town has a higher than 25% chance of lynching mafia if we don't bandwagon on an active/controversial poster (this is where most of the mislynches come from in the recent games I've seen). A no-lynch gives mafia a free night-kill while keeping the town in the dark. But with scum being able to coordinate themselves, I'd imagine it's very easy for them to force a bandwagon on a townie, no? | ||
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On August 06 2012 09:45 Lvdr wrote: Also it seems to me that if golbat was a failmafia in his last game, he probably got set as town in this one. Discuss. I know that's not 100% serious, but roles are random, right? No "I want to be DT"s or anything like that. | ||
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On August 06 2012 09:55 Golbat wrote: What do you mean by "failmafia"? I was town in my last game, hence, "overeager townie". Reading comprehension is important, yo. On August 06 2012 09:59 Hapahauli wrote: Erm dude, Golbat wasn't mafia in his last game. Scumslip or most obvious scumslip? Discuss. | ||
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On August 06 2012 10:54 iamperfection wrote: Speaking of previous games i would like to know how yourharry is going to aproach this game. If we are going to get your logic that makes no sense where your "sure" sombody is town or mafia i say we lynch you know before your logic festers and contaminates the town. One of the reason i lynched calgar in my previous game is because he actually used your logic in his own defense. Unforgivable in my view. Your thoughts? Now, now, let's wait until he actually posts... | ||
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On August 06 2012 16:50 YourHarry wrote: Shit LOL messed up the quotes. Oh well, more work for you guys. Why would you ever do that? Fix you post in an EBWOP instead. Now you come across as wanting town to have more work with analyzing you (seems pretty scummy to me), and also like a moron (not helpful for town in any way). I'd like to know what you were thinking there, just for reference. ______________ + Show Spoiler [Promethelax] + On August 06 2012 18:54 Promethelax wrote: I'm saying this once and never again. When I'm here I'll be active (as scum or as town look at XIX (scum) and XXII (town) for confirmation) when I am not here I will be at work, parties or with my fiance. During those times I will not post. Glad to see you are here for me bud! Yeah, I was working. Also Shady: my cases were actually pretty strong. The one on you was obviously wrong but it was a good case. (lets leave this til XXII finishes) I see there is a lot of policy talk, I don't like policies and feel that they don't contribute to town. I will be making a case on someone and voting for them on that case. Their posting habits may be a factor or may not but I will not make a policy on it. 1. True! 2. Did you read that game? I had town by the nose by virtue of not lurking. 3. No! Bad YourHarry, lynching a townie is always bad. Lynching a bad townie hurts town because we lose a townie. + Show Spoiler + shit fuck, I said town three times I must be+ Show Spoiler + me I'm pretty sure this post is a joke but this does not show a town mentality ##FoS: that dude, Harry or whatever + Show Spoiler + I'm high as balls. I don't know how much of this makes sense. If you need a translator ask tomorrow Please make posts that make sense too. So you either were high and use that as an excuse to lurk until tomorrow, or you want to post confusing nonsense-fluff. Either way, not the best start in my book ______________ (I hope it's alright that I modified his post in my quote so that it was correctly formatted. This made it much easier to read.) Thank you for that.. The rest of your post was fluff and OMGUS stuff, but at least I could read YourHarry's post. ______________ And as iamperfection pointed out: Sideni and ToleranceNA, get active. If you don't post, you're gonna get modkilled, you know? ______________ @Synystyr: You didn't post anything of substance yet, so I'm gonna ask you this: What do you think of Golbat? | ||
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On August 07 2012 01:28 Hapahauli wrote: I didn't vote you yet Synystyr, just an FOS is all. But what's with the passive finger-pointing? In the first post, you mention that "I could be active scum" trying to clear myself - what's the townie motive behind that? Secondly, that reasoning on Golbat is terribad: he's trying to stir shit up and focus on lurkers (good townie behavior), and therefore he's setting up to defend himself and therefore he's scum?! Yeah ok buddy. Well you could be scum. I don't think it's bad to point out that, just because something looks towny, it can't be scum-motivated too. He did not actually attack you, or even imply to direct his post towards you. It seemed to me like he was talking more in general. Yet you're getting pretty defensive, pretty fast. Synystyr, now that you're here, post some more plox. | ||
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On August 07 2012 02:07 Promethelax wrote: YH was town in XXI and played as inexplicably as he is playing here. He voted for three people on D1 and unvoted one of them about a million times (rereading his filter I can't tell how many were because he wrote them wrong and how many were because he changed his mind). All three of his targets were town. After reading this game, I'm convinced YourHarry has a secret DT role, the reverse DT. Everyone he attacks is town, people he says are town are mafia. He even breadcrumbed it in his in-post: Hi guys, I am in as the detective + Show Spoiler + This post was not serious, pls ignore. | ||
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On August 07 2012 02:33 Promethelax wrote: not going to lie, I laughed. But this is a waste of time and space. How do you feel about him and his play? Is Harry town, null or scum in your eyes and why? When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet). Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green. Now I just don't know what to think of him.... If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious. I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town. Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard... | ||
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On August 07 2012 03:26 mkfuba07 wrote: I don't feel that it was fluff since my single post had been misinterpreted and used to start a case against me. I clarified my post so that others wouldn't misinterpret it similarly. I felt that most of what I said in that response was self-explanatory, but since YH evidently didn't think so, I saw the need to basically repeat myself. I suppose what I mean to say is that normally I would see my post as fluff, but in this case it was necessary as a response to accusations. I also don't consider it to be OMGUS, as I would have had the same suspicions were it not me he was voting for. I would be surprised if everyone else didn't become a bit suspicious of his haste in voting. I didn't vote for him, which I think is an action that would be just as hasty as his own, but I did want to voice what I saw. What was your read on him following that post? Following Prom's explanation of YH's behavior in the past, I'm left more confused than suspicious, but I'm not quite ready to drop my FoS. You can find my read on YH on the top of the page. + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On August 07 2012 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote: When I read his posts in this thread I saw him as my #1 scum read (though that does not mean too much, I don't have any realy strong reads yet). Then I read his previous game and saw him flip green. Now I just don't know what to think of him.... If he's town, his play makes no sense. If he's scum, his play makes no sense because it's TOO obvious. I just don't know what he IS, what I know is that his play doesn't help town. Also, sorry about the fluff, will try to not post random shit, but old habits die hard... It's of course in your right to defend yourself. Don't take what I said as a reason to post less, either. | ||
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Other than that, I have suspicions of Lvdr and Synyster, and very light suspicions of Promethelax, mkfuba and Shady Sands. With Sideni and Tolerance lurking hardcore, that leaves iamperfection, Golbat and Hapahauli. iamperfection and Golbat are kind of laying low, both barely noteable from interactions with the "Lvdr Assuption" (I mean this, just in case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=7#122 Hapahauli on the other hand seems to be too busy keeping the conversation alive to do anything else. While that could be a elaborate ploy to avoid suspicion, right now, my gut instinct says it's not. And I like my gut. Because I am aware that my post is pretty wishy-washy, I'm gonna put it out straight: If I had to vote right now, I'd vote YourHarry | ||
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On August 07 2012 08:44 YourHarry wrote: Looking through Dandel Ion's filter, I don't see why he thinks I am scummy. @Dandel Discuss. You start off with the unreadable post, instead of fixing it you make a joke. Yes that point is old, and we've been over it already. Then you vote without giving a reason: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#169 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#170 Just to jump onto somebody else right after (note that none of either players you accuse have posted inbetween): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#174 Both players have also FoS'd you before that, so you respond by voting for them. When pointed out by the powers that be that you are voting wrong, you go back to voting Promethelax instead http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=9#177 I'd like for you to make sense of that, for I cannot. Your play is confusing to me, because as town, I don't see why you'd do that. | ||
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On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote: I don't feel like we're currently following the policy we instored for Day One  We need discussion. We NEED it. Just saying "yep let's lynch a lurker" and then go brain-afk will not help us. On August 07 2012 09:28 Sideni wrote: For Tolerance, I tried to contact him on Skype to tell him that the game had started, but he won't answer ... (He's my friend) Looks like we'll need someone to substitute him =( You might wanna be careful with that, I'm pretty sure it's forbidden to contact other players even for that. | ||
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On August 07 2012 10:11 YourHarry wrote: That's how I play. When I make a read, I post it. Sometimes I ask others to guess the reasons behind my vote. And sometimes, reasons behind my suspicions can seem trivial, especially in the beginning of the day. And as Hapha pointed out, I throw in different theories out there and see what people think of them and which one sticks. And they do a good job generating plenty of discussions early in the day. To be fair though, the second link referenced by "Just to jump onto somebody else right after" was actually me fixing my previous post regarding my suspicion on mkfuba. I guess that means you didn't read my original "messed" up post, because the contents were identical. And it seems that iamperfection seems to be blaming me for us losing the XXI game. I admit that I did not have a very good track record in voting or even in my reads that game. Though, I did suspect that calgar that game was town, which basically got ignored, understandably. I got some coaching though, and I think I am improving. You may disagree, but let's see how I do this game. I have a confidence in myself this game. Just trust me  Shit, sorry. I messed up there, forgot that you posted the fixed post too, later. Well, it still underlines that you should fix posts instantly instead of a page later. See the confusion? Massive confusion in my brain. Also, there is a reason why I didn't vote you (yet), but I do want you to know that I am watching you. Will read the rest of the thread closely now, and probably have to say a word or two. | ||
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